The War in the Ukraine

Anlsvrthng

Captain
Registered Member
Doesn't seem to help Russians that much on the battlefield.

If Ukrainians get 1000km into mass production they can hit Russian powerstations near Moscow.


You use wrong wordiing.

Ukraine getting more and more like a battlefield for NATO units against Russia.
That would be an USA strike against Russia, Ukraine hasn't got now electricity for industrial production.. They need to make the stuff abroad, or simply import weapons, use american inteligence, and execution the american plan under the command of USA officers.

Getting closer and closer to the third world war. But have no fear, Finnland well prepared for the arrival of nuclear warheads. And the option to station USA missiles on Ukrainan on Finnish soils worth to die for.
 

sheogorath

Colonel
Registered Member
That is the truth why NATO does not officially intervene nor send planes. They fear even invading Iran due to its population density. Russia which can potentially call on a multi million man army during an American invasion is a complete no go.

And it is ironic in the sense it wouldn't be the first time, either. During the Russian Civil War, the Whites couldn't beat the Bolsheviks even with the direct involvement of and occupation of Russian Territory by the US, UK, France and Japan
 

Tam

Brigadier
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Though not mentioned in this video, a telegram blog says this is Anton Radko, deputy company commander of the Azov Battalion. He took the receiving end of it from Wagner PMC and is seriously wounded.


M113 destroyed somewhere in Bakhmut, also the handiwork of Wagner PMC.


Ukrainian Leleka 100 drone being shot down, from the drone's own point of view.

 

sheogorath

Colonel
Registered Member
Though not mentioned in this video, a telegram blog says this is Anton Radko, deputy company commander of the Azov Battalion. He took the receiving end of it from Wagner PMC and is seriously wounded.
Seems he has added some extra tattoos to complement his nazi Othala rune one.


Ukrainian Leleka 100 drone being shot down, from the drone's own point of view.
It kept flying for a while, though.
 

Cult Icon

Junior Member
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I have been following the mobilization as best I can since September. I think the Russians took in over 400,000 reservists and conscripts since the announcement of partial mobilization. Conscript class 2022-2023 is 120,000 men. Last year's conscript class is fully trained. However the Russians cannot legally use them.

The Russian economy is also getting mobilized with new production orders and coordination. The Russian defense budget for 2023 (9% of GDP) is approx. 3 times that of 2020 and 50% greater than 2021.

The last Russian MOD claim was 50,000 men in the front line and 80,000 training in the rear of the SVO. For the past 2 months the Russians have used reservists only marginally in combat, mainly in the defense and in support of attacks.

They and the Russian army (most of it withdrawn from Ukraine since July) is chiefly focused in training and integrating this mass of men and material. If they follow Russian doctrine they will refurbish tanks/IFV (they have 17,000 tanks in storage, and also production/refurbishment orders for T-62, T-72, T-90M) and expand their operational artillery forces from equipment they have in storage.


2021 IISS figures, Russia:

4,684 operational heavy artillery pieces (towed and self-propelled) and 180 heavy mortars (120mm towed and self-propelled).
876 operational MLRS.

12,415 heavy artillery pieces in storage. 3,320 MLRS in storage. 1,540 mortars in storage.

In Ukraine it has been claimed that Russia has been using approx. 3000-2000 artillery pieces.

The key is whether or not Russian army can create logistical support for, say 120,000 shells a day rather than 60,000. They can retake what is left of the annexed regions and claim a halfway-political victory with a conservative approach to a build-up.

A more intensive approach would be to finally use brigades and divisions in Ukraine. This would require large scale maneuvers, like Volstok with Eastern Military district in the fall. (50,000 troops, 6,000 vehicles). There is to be manuevers in Belarus. But all of this takes a lot of time.

The Russian MOD claimed that refresher training (2 months) is completed for 300,000 troops with 8,000 crews of various types. After this they are further layers of training. Some are sent to Ukraine, others are in the interior. My chief ???? is what this training is composed up and how big the Russian army in Ukraine is meant to be.

If they do full training with brigades and divisions (there was news that 3rd Motorized division completed training in Belarus) then they can actually open up a new front. The remainder of the annexed regions can be taken with increased force buildup with piecemeal reinforcements (as they are slowly doing now).
 

solarz

Brigadier
A lot of people say this war revealed the Russian military's weakness, but what about the American military's weakness? 10 months on, and still all they can do is send trickles of equipment to Ukraine, when one might have expected tanks and artillery to be rolling off the assembly chain.

Instead, Ukraine is short on everything nowadays.

Some might argue that the US is saving its strength for China, but a military defeat of Russia would have galvanised American leadership in Europe and open a second flank against China's vulnerable west. It's clear that NATO, including the US, does not have the production capability to sustain a war against a near peer adversary.
 

CrazyHorse

Junior Member
Registered Member
A lot of people say this war revealed the Russian military's weakness, but what about the American military's weakness? 10 months on, and still all they can do is send trickles of equipment to Ukraine, when one might have expected tanks and artillery to be rolling off the assembly chain.

Instead, Ukraine is short on everything nowadays.

Some might argue that the US is saving its strength for China, but a military defeat of Russia would have galvanised American leadership in Europe and open a second flank against China's vulnerable west. It's clear that NATO, including the US, does not have the production capability to sustain a war against a near peer adversary.
No country would be able to simply ramp up production to meet the needs of ukraine. This amount of production requires total war like economic mobilization. The only reason russia can keep up is due to old Cold War stockpiles.
 

Atomicfrog

Major
Registered Member
I have been following the mobilization as best I can since September. I think the Russians took in over 400,000 reservists and conscripts since the announcement of partial mobilization. Conscript class 2022-2023 is 120,000 men. Last year's conscript class is fully trained. However the Russians cannot legally use them.

The Russian economy is also getting mobilized with new production orders and coordination. The Russian defense budget for 2023 (9% of GDP) is approx. 3 times that of 2020 and 50% greater than 2021.

The last Russian MOD claim was 50,000 men in the front line and 80,000 training in the rear of the SVO. For the past 2 months the Russians have used reservists only marginally in combat, mainly in the defense and in support of attacks.

They and the Russian army (most of it withdrawn from Ukraine since July) is chiefly focused in training and integrating this mass of men and material. If they follow Russian doctrine they will refurbish tanks/IFV (they have 17,000 tanks in storage, and also production/refurbishment orders for T-62, T-72, T-90M) and expand their operational artillery forces from equipment they have in storage.




The key is whether or not Russian army can create logistical support for, say 120,000 shells a day rather than 60,000. They can retake what is left of the annexed regions and claim a halfway-political victory with a conservative approach to a build-up.

A more intensive approach would be to finally use brigades and divisions in Ukraine. This would require large scale maneuvers, like Volstok with Eastern Military district in the fall. (50,000 troops, 6,000 vehicles). There is to be manuevers in Belarus. But all of this takes a lot of time.

The Russian MOD claimed that refresher training (2 months) is completed for 300,000 troops with 8,000 crews of various types. After this they are further layers of training. Some are sent to Ukraine, others are in the interior. My chief ???? is what this training is composed up and how big the Russian army in Ukraine is meant to be.

If they do full training with brigades and divisions (there was news that 3rd Motorized division completed training in Belarus) then they can actually open up a new front. The remainder of the annexed regions can be taken with increased force buildup with piecemeal reinforcements (as they are slowly doing now).
It look like they are taking their time building up in the back. Any ground gain and loss in combat are wastelands presently. Grinding Ukrainian forces in waste lands and have the chance to gain a large swath that is not turned to dust when resistance fall could be a nice strategy. They need to have a large force ready to take these opportunities when they will come. Better to have that force well trained and fed than making it freeze, looking at mud until the moment come.
 
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