The War in the Ukraine
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Lol. Medvedev knows it's gone the Derp River alone will act as a barrier for Ukraine forces this message was for those that aren't coping too well with the lost of Kherson.
Medvedev is just doing some casual propaganda. Anyone who seriously believes that Russia will take Kherson back is deluded.
So many posts about Ukrainian propaganda but here we have a Russian former president, former prime minister, and currently serving as Deputy Chairman of the Security Council who says such things lol
Just the L and move on
Ukraine actually had high HDI, just low GDP per capita. That was, of course, thanks to Soviet era advances and policies like universal education, electric/heating cogeneration plants, the electric grid, etc. that they did not pay for and are now going to be eliminated.
They're now going to become European Somalia. They asked for 'decommunization'. They're getting it.
I wonder what will Kadyrov say now about what happened, usually he would call out the generals but now he can't blame the generals for what happened because they are not the ones at fault. What happened was Putin's fault for holding back, will Kadyrov have the courage to criticize Putin? Highly unlikely that he will have the courage for that.
I mean, moving out of Kherson is militarily sound. Its the political decision to annex Kherson that is hurting them now
I don't see why Kadyrov would object to the decision. People wanted the Russian military to start waging war without politicians interfering.
The appointment of the new commander was a turning point. While we saw the "good" on that decision which was more bombing of Ukrainian critical infrastructure, we now start to see the "bad", which is abandoning Russian territory to the mercy of the enemy.
This is why the politics vs military debate in a war is meaningless. Politics and military go hand in hand in a war. The Americans in the middle east wars suffered from too much focus on military, Russians suffered from too much politics at the beginning of this war. We will see where the balance will tilt in the coming months
Don't forget that people's minds are easily changed. If we start seeing a lot of successes for Russia in the coming months, people will then start praising the strong military for protecting Russia and showing strength. So yeah, just wait to see what will happen in the future
There are currently 8 million Ukrainian refugees in Europe, of which nearly 3 million are in Russia. The population of Ukraine is now perhaps 29 million. From this figure, we must subtract the population in the regions of Kherson and Zaporizhzhya, which are under Russian control.
At the end of the WW2 Germany military losses was equivalent to the 5% of the population .
But Germany hasn't lost 20-40 % of its population due to refugees, emigration, or simply occupation.
At that point of time Germany had countless young man, ready to die, but now Ukriane has plenty of old man, incapable to dig trenches.
Do you think that in Kherson any military age man left ?
Or do you think that anyine in right set of mind stay in Ukraine just to pulled into the army and buchered on the front ?
I know few Ukranans in the UK, and say seeing an ukranan in his house with 4-6 Ukrainan refugee, including many 20ish man is quite common. Do you thnk that they will go back to Ukraine to die in the trenches?
Why are you subtracting? You think Ukrainian men of fighting age in Kherson and Zapo stayed put when Russia invaded? Of course they did not. Btw Kherson WAS under Russian control lets get use to saying that also those 8 million supposedly refugees in Europe are woman, children and men not fit to fight for many reasons. Millions of Ukraine men of fighting age stayed in Ukraine. Three million Ukranians kidnapped to Russia were also not men of fighting age.
Ukraine is not and will not run out of men of fighting age and Russia knows it.
Just a quick bit of speculation from me for the more distant future.
Does Russia have a way back onto the West Bank of the Dnieper?
Yes, I think it does, but I would not choose Kherson.
First, they can cross the Dnieper in Belarus and come down from the North as did last February.
Secondly and far more usefully, they can cross at Zaphorisia and Dnipro.
To do this though, you will need to control a lot more of the Eastern bank north of Denipro and preferably all the territory East of the River.
A very quick look at the map will tell you why. Zaphorisia and Dnipro are everything that Kherson is not. Kherson opens into an ever winder arc of enemy territory that extends only into the Ukrainian heartland.
With Zaphorisia and Denipro, the situation is completely different. The river bends to make the territory on the West Bank a large natural cauldron, Artillery positioned on a long stretch on the East and South Banks of the Dnieper would cover a huge swathe of this territory which forms a fairly narrow arc, covered by enemy fire from three sides. This is totally different to Kherson.
By the time the Ukrainians were out of the killing zone the cauldron, the main Russian crossing points would be out of range of the Ukrainian missiles. The Russians could advance to such a line on the West bank and still only have a very short front line, with friendly forces controlling both flanks, again all of this is completely different to the situation in Kherson.
But this is not something to worry about in the short term. For this to work, control of virtually the entire East bank of Dnieper would be essential and this is just an illustration.
Does Russia have a way back onto the West Bank of the Dnieper?
Yes, I think it does, but I would not choose Kherson.
First, they can cross the Dnieper in Belarus and come down from the North as did last February.
Secondly and far more usefully, they can cross at Zaphorisia and Dnipro.
To do this though, you will need to control a lot more of the Eastern bank north of Denipro and preferably all the territory East of the River.
A very quick look at the map will tell you why. Zaphorisia and Dnipro are everything that Kherson is not. Kherson opens into an ever winder arc of enemy territory that extends only into the Ukrainian heartland.
With Zaphorisia and Denipro, the situation is completely different. The river bends to make the territory on the West Bank a large natural cauldron, Artillery positioned on a long stretch on the East and South Banks of the Dnieper would cover a huge swathe of this territory which forms a fairly narrow arc, covered by enemy fire from three sides. This is totally different to Kherson.
By the time the Ukrainians were out of the killing zone the cauldron, the main Russian crossing points would be out of range of the Ukrainian missiles. The Russians could advance to such a line on the West bank and still only have a very short front line, with friendly forces controlling both flanks, again all of this is completely different to the situation in Kherson.
But this is not something to worry about in the short term. For this to work, control of virtually the entire East bank of Dnieper would be essential and this is just an illustration.