The War in the Ukraine

[ZeEa5KPul]

Every video I see of Krasnopol the last few days, shows a clean hit, then the guys every single time, get out and run away. Maybe launch two shells in succession to take out the personel as well? I know it sounds outlandish and crazy, but I had this really weird thought that when you fight a war you try to maximize the killing of your enemy manpower alongside their equipment? Or do I have this all wrong here. You preserve enemy manpower but break their toys?

Is there something that is different in the Russian psyche? Did anyone tell them they launched a war? Does their military know they are at war?

Maybe I'm just really really stupid

A Krasnopol guided shell is worth far more than a couple of dead Ukrainians. It's much more cost-effective to use them to destroy equipment - especially foreign equipment - than to use them to double tap some personnel. So long as the equipment is destroyed, that's a successful strike.

 

[memfisa]

It's like a story of a transport truck, drove under a bridge and got stuck under it because it was too high to fit underneath it

They called in the engineers to free it and the engineers determined they would have to carefully dismantle the bridge around the truck and then rebuild.

Then a kid came along and asked them why don't you let the air out of the tires of the truck and drive it backwards and out?

This is Russian doctrine in a nutshell. Complicated things so much that nobody can understand a f-ing thing including the subordinates, and turn that salad into a shit show

 

[memfisa]

A Krasnopol guided shell is worth far more than a couple of dead Ukrainians. It's much more cost-effective to use them to destroy equipment - especially foreign equipment - than to use them to double tap some personnel. So long as the equipment is destroyed, that's a successful strike.

But it's not. Manpower is what is enabling the Ukraine to utilize the weapons and machines that are stolen from us taxpayers here in the west by our corrupt bastards in power.

The manpower of the UAF should be target number one, then the equipment. The equipment can't do anything without humans to operate it.

It's just so obvious that it doesn't even make sense anymore.

They have the technology to see where the UAF sleeps, they show us everyday they can see their every waking move. They have a different potent weapon system for every day of the month to neutralize these targets.

Instead they struggle to react to whatever move the UAF makes, instead of being proactive and preemptive. Sitting on your ass and being reactive doesn't get anyone anywhere in life and it's a universal fact

Funny as it is the UAF understands to be proactive and not reactive and its delivering results even with their limited capabilities offensively. They are thrashing the might if the Russian military with a hodge podge of junk

It's just a shit show of incompetence. I truly don't believe they understand they are at war

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

But it's not. Manpower is what is enabling the Ukraine to utilize the weapons and machines that are stolen from us taxpayers here in the west by our corrupt bastards in power.

The manpower of the UAF should be target number one, then the equipment. The equipment can't do anything without humans to operate it.

It's just so obvious that it doesn't even make sense anymore.

They have the technology to see where the UAF sleeps, they show us everyday they can see their every waking move. They have a different potent weapon system for every day of the month to neutralize these targets.

Instead they struggle to react to whatever move the UAF makes, instead of being proactive and preemptive. Sitting on your ass and being reactive doesn't get anyone anywhere in life and it's a universal fact

It's just a shit show of incompetence. I truly don't believe they understand they are at war

Manpower is useless without equipment. Letting Krasnopol rip is the strategy to use if you have an infinite supply of precision ammunition, but unfortunately Russia does not. Given this limitation, Russia must choose its targets carefully.

 

[Tam]

Since the beginning of the war Russia have been hemorrhaging equipment and munitions. The pre-war stockpile was a mixture of ex-soviets stock and whatever Russia has built since then, it is fair to say that a large amount of newer equipment has been damaged or destroyed in the last 8 months, to the point that Russia is increasingly fielding older tanks to replenish losses.

This repeated rhetoric that Ukraine will eventually run out of manpower/equipment is countray to what's actually been happening. How can a depleted army repeatedly push Russia out of key strategic locations?

You got that in the reverse. Russians are fielding older tanks for the DPR and LPR which is easier to train in. They are increasingly bringing T-90 to the front. It's more like Ukraine-NATO that is running out of equipment which is clearly evidenced by the increasing number of pickups they are fielding; the use of old and older equipment; the gradual disappearance of the vast arsenal of Soviet inherited equipment and vehicles; the increasing reluctance and complaints of NATO countries and even the military branches of the US, of the rapid depletion of their own equipment, and the cost of replacing them at increasingly inflated prices and during an age of de-industrialization.

When you use pickups and SUVs you are going to have greater casualties from unprotected vehicles. It's also a good indicator you are low on fuel to run your tanks. Many assaults don't use enough tanks, which result in losing tank battles and getting repulsed.

 

[memfisa]

Manpower is useless without equipment. Letting Krasnopol rip is the strategy to use if you have an infinite supply of precision ammunition, but unfortunately Russia does not. Given this limitation, Russia must choose its targets carefully.

So heres a wild thought. This one will send everyone into a conplete uncontrolled tailspim here so put on your seat belts

Instead of reacting to this superficial problem of a limited supply of precision ammunitions, increase the production and at the same time lower the costs to produce this crap. (Forgive me and my really crazy ideas)

Increase the supply of components to manufacture it, this is late 80s technology that was being produced with electronics from the Soviet Union for crying out loud, it can't possibly be out of reach for Russian production unless someone really really REALLY fucked up. There is no shortage of raw materials to produce this stuff and it's not like Russian infrastructure is being wiped out everyday

There is no excuse for this poor performance other than internal sabotage by those people currently in power.

 

[SolarWarden]

Russians destroying equipment they couldn't withdraw. So much for being chased off by the Ukranians if they could take the time to destroy equipment.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1591173028721090560

Yeah it doesn't take long to destroy your own equipment. Pretty much thermite or other incendiary inside and equipment is useless.

Allegedly the Russians got their hands on a GMLRS's rocket. Not sure of what use is that other than maybe finding out how to spoof the GPS signals it uses

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1591148800072351746

There's nothing special about a GMLRS it's just a dumb rocket upgraded with fins and a gps. Russian S300 missiles are way more advanced than a GMLRS. Just propaganda to make their people think they have captured something special and advanced... a system that has been kicking their butts in Ukraine.

 

[Tam]

Damage done to several of the gates of Kahovksa dam, allegedly done by Ukranian shelling

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1591038625332236290

T-72's are surivable as long as you don't cram ammo outside the caroussel. That said, T-72B at least have spall liners, the M's made by the other eastern countries don't.


They are counting Russian tanks captured by Ukraine but lost during their offensive as Russian losses, so who knows how creative they will get.


Are pushing the HIMARS wunderwaffen narrative again?. Because it goes both way, in that HIMARS are now deeper in the envelope of the S400 and S350 around Crimea.

Will also make air support by whatever is left of the UAF more difficult.

Judging by some posters reactions, you'd think Zelensky is already taking over St. Petersburg. And you'd think people would have learned after the early Kharkiv, Kerch bridge and Kherson offensives celebrations that culminated in the Oct. 10 attacks and the AFU offensives completely stagnated, that war ebbs and flow.

HIMARS is clearly interceptable at long ranges --- 100 to 150km or so as MoD claims --- by S300V. It's also clear Buk ,is able to deal with any MLRS including HIMARS, especially with Buk M2 which has the phase array. Buk M3 is now starting to be deployed.

 

[memfisa]

HIMARS is clearly interceptable at long ranges --- 100 to 150km or so as MoD claims --- by S300V. It's also clear Buk ,is able to deal with any MLRS including HIMARS, especially with Buk M2 which has the phase array. Buk M3 is now starting to be deployed.

You know there is a TOR system that is designed specifically to deal with these kinds of targets, it's a defensive weapon they actually stopped and said hey these are cheap, they are effective. Maybe they would be OK to hit low cost weapons?

S300 vs himars is just a loss all around.

If anything they should be networking these little thugs together in am aegis type system so they can independently target different threats. Take it a step further and add ballistic prediction to determine which shells are actually a threat like the Israelis did

Maybe that's way too crazy for the Russian military, I'm sure this kind of extremely radical thinking is banned in Russia, don't want anyone thinking the obvious

 

[TK3600]

You got that in the reverse. Russians are fielding older tanks for the DPR and LPR which is easier to train in. They are increasingly bringing T-90 to the front. It's more like Ukraine-NATO that is running out of equipment which is clearly evidenced by the increasing number of pickups they are fielding; the use of old and older equipment; the gradual disappearance of the vast arsenal of Soviet inherited equipment and vehicles; the increasing reluctance and complaints of NATO countries and even the military branches of the US, of the rapid depletion of their own equipment, and the cost of replacing them at increasingly inflated prices and during an age of de-industrialization.

When you use pickups and SUVs you are going to have greater casualties from unprotected vehicles. It's also a good indicator you are low on fuel to run your tanks. Many assaults don't use enough tanks, which result in losing tank battles and getting repulsed.

And the end result is still Russia get repulsed. It is evident even at greatly reduced heavy equipment Ukrainian troop is still too strong for Russia head on.