Ukrainian War Developments

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victoon

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And why do private Chinese citizens have to take the government's position?
that's not what I said. What I said is PRC's position is right. So you can interpret that as I think it's wrong for Chinese to take up a pro-Russia position. Russia has legitimate security concerns AND it's wrong to invade Ukraine. If we pick a side, we are ignoring the other. We'd be treating partial reality as the whole picture.

Like I have said a few times in the past, I think it would be wise for Ukraine to stop resisting, especially if they will be reaching the same outcome at the negotiating table. But that is neutral, not pro-Russia.

BTW, I think the west not stopping NATO expansion and not sending troops but sending weapons so the Ukrainians can fight longer and suffer more is just inhumane.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Overtaken by evens. Kiev mayor has confirmed to AP that they are completely Sorrounded and I suspect that was the plan all along.
Russia wants Ukraine intact and has no time for messy urban warfare.

It's just that the interweb is very pro Ukraine and Kiev's propaganda army is doing a stellar job.

The Russian plan is to lay siege, have fire control and wait. Pretty sure Ukraine will be suing for peace in a week or two
the problem is that Russia has a dilemma like I said:

1. They can take fewer casualties by going in war of attrition mode - using artillery and strategic bombing with their Tu-22s and Tu-160s on strong points and infrastructure, encircling enemy forces, and then annihilating them with artillery/bombers. But that takes time, and in that time, foreign intervention possibility rises.

2. They can try to rush as fast as possible with maneuver forces, but they'll take heavier casualties. This hasn't been a problem with them in the past, but they neglected the hardening of Ukrainians around their right wing government in the past 10 years. But failure - and that includes delays - also invites foreign intervention.

Does Russia have a week or two? Not sure. The pace of combat has gotten faster but so is their clock. US took a month to get to Baghdad. This is day 4-5. The problem is that US controlled the narrative in Iraq, had a near total media blackout for the Iraqis, and there was little possibility of immediate foreign intervention, so they could leisurely carpet bomb. Russia does not have this luxury as there is a huge possibility of foreign intervention so they need to win ASAP down to the hour.
 

solarz

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that's not what I said. What I said is PRC's position is right. So you can interpret that as I think it's wrong for Chinese to take up a pro-Russia position. Russia has legitimate security concerns AND it's wrong to invade Ukraine. If we pick a side, we are ignoring the other. We'd be treating partial reality as the whole picture.

Like I have said a few times in the past, I think it would be wise for Ukraine to stop resisting, especially if they will be reaching the same outcome at the negotiating table. But that is neutral, not pro-Russia.

BTW, I think the west not stopping NATO expansion and not sending troops but sending weapons so the Ukrainians can fight longer and suffer more is just inhumane.

And what did any of that have to do with what people on the internet is saying?
 

BlackWindMnt

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How are Ukrainian pilots going to suddenly learn how to fly western fighter jets?

This sounds a lot like NATO planning on sending their own airforce in Ukrainian livery. Time find a nuclear bunker....
It just war profiteering, they probably know that Ukraine will be bisected and put the side supported by the west under a massive debt load so they can harvest whatever profit will be made in that region. We enlightened and civilised Europeans did the same thing with the greeks.
 

CasualObserver

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There are still questions, like why the TB2s have been absent from action until now. Russian vehicles were driving in from Belarus single file and reached Kiev virtually unopposed, that could have been a Turkey shoot if any drones were operating.
I can answer this. It seems that, acc. to many pieces and reports I've read through the day, Turkey has asked Ukraine not to share the footages and make Russians angry, and we know that ever since the start of the war, TB-2s have been very active, it's just that they don't share the footages. An another contributing factor is that maybe Ukraine didn't want to attract Russia's attwntion on the drones so that they can keep hunting Russian logistics.

It basically makes sense for them to keep silently hunting Russians.

But what is intriguing to me s that, Turkey has been increasingly publicizing it's actions against Russia, i.e., foreign minister saying the conflict has turned into a war and that they'll respond to these circumstences by implementing Montreux Convention (banning Russian warships from using the Straits), letting the Ukranians to share footages and also supplying Ukr with more ammonution. Remember that there have been no TB-2 leaks until today but out of nowhere we suddenly got these videos. That is really interesting and imo Turkey has done everything it could for Ukraine in this conflict.
 

Chilled_k6

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Flankers and MIG-31 can stay up the air 4.5 hours easily. Su-34 with external fuel tanks much more. . Syrian airbase is designed to handle now 200 planes and dual runways and deal with drones. how difficult it is when your next to Turkish border. who had own AWACS/ Drones to see flight lines and can inform insurgents living next door.
this Ukraine is much easier operation.

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Speaking of SU-34s haven't seen much news of them being deployed and used in combat? I suppose no news is good news in a way for the Russians in this war.
 
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