Ladakh Flash Point

[ougoah]

What are you talking about? India has camps much closer to the lac than 10km. Except Pangong, the buffer zones are small, at most 2km on either side of the lac. The disputed areas are far bigger than that.
Prior to 2020, India had no camps in Galwan. Now it has four along with bridges and roads.

Both sides have camps within no man's land. You only say Indian camps like Indians won something.

Again tell me what legacy dispute india's won? Zero.

India has camps and infrastructure inside 20% dispute, China does too. You answered his what's changed question with a response that bends the truth by ignoring half of it as if it is a net Indian gain when presence is a net zero and legacy dispute is a net negative since India has lost access to Aksai Chin.

Now it is revealed that Indians suffered humiliating defeat in the tactical side of the topic.

 

[ougoah]

Strategic side changes: China's control of Aksai Chin is more firm with new buffers that weren't in place before standoff - only net difference.

Tactical side changes: India beaten black and blue, captured, tied up, surrendered, rifles taken and disarmed, officers captured and senior responsible ones executed. PLA lost 4 men in defending a position and India lost 20 men. PLA captured dozens at least 50 while IA captured zero.

Why do you indians insist on perception and talking like that? Honestly is this some south asian trait? I know many indians are not like this at all. Is this just the bhakts online who persist on these narratives and trolling? It's over. Grow up, settle things and make things better for both sides. It's not all "I'm the best and you have to respect me!" Wasn't it Indians calling Chinese as sissies and other derogatory words? What is the source of your angst? Honestly for one second where is all that angst (so obvious even to westerners now) coming from? What did we do to you except develop ourselves and reach a status where we can recover the dignity lost because of past weakness. India can go on that journey itself. China isn't the cause of all your pains unless you want it to be. The footage of the Indian group beating one defenseless PLA comms officer is a microcosm of what I'm saying. So much angst and bitterness manifesting as delusion and violence.

 

[do3jack]

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[lgnxz]

You only say Indian camps like Indians won something.

LOL you gave a tl;dr of the whole gimmick of his.

Man's been on a copium OD for months justifying any reasons on how india is winning in all fronts, be it tactics, muh distance to an arbitrary & imaginary lines, muh buffer zones measuring contest, and much more.

Whenever he got caught with his pants down tho like the galwan clash discussion, even more so amplified by the recently released photos of indian soldiers daringly and gallantly landing their faces into the fist of PLA soldiers, suddenly a complete silence.. Amirite, @twineedle ??

 

[twineedle]

How come the only photo Indian provided was one they used as propaganda which was IA intruding and capturing parts of Reqin which they were very quickly pushed out of. And of course the video of them beating up a single PLA officer who exited his vehicle

We have already discusses this. That video was not released by official sources, it was an old video of somewhere completely different that was circulates on social media. India released official pictures of Rechin la later. Again, official sources and reputable media confirmed India did not violate ITS OWN PERCEPTION of the LAC, which is shown on Google maps.

 

[ougoah]

LOL you gave a tl;dr of the whole gimmick of his.

Man's been on a copium OD for months justifying any reasons on how india is winning in all fronts, be it tactics, muh distance to an arbitrary & imaginary lines, muh buffer zones measuring contest, and much more.

Whenever he got caught with his pants down tho like the galwan clash discussion, even more so amplified by the recently released photos of indian soldiers daringly and gallantly landing their faces into the fist of PLA soldiers, suddenly a complete silence.. Amirite, @twineedle ??

It's both annoying and depressing so many Indians are like this with the bitchy backhandedness of longmarch's comments, couldn't help but respond.

The twisting of facts and mental gymnastics is so intense and only India occupies this much of its efforts on twisting things and making comically false fantasies. Am I wrong?? Are these trolls not using backhanded comments? Are the online Indian trolls not using bollywood movie scenes as "evidence" to support their ridiculously untrue stories?

I do not believe there is any other group of people who straight faced will use scenes from a movie they themselves made (to look good) that twists reality and then present it as "evidence". How are normal sane Indians not embarrassed by the antics of these bhakts?

 

[twineedle]

I do not believe there is any other group of people who straight faced will use scenes from a movie they themselves made (to look good) that twists reality and then present it as "evidence". How are normal sane Indians not embarrassed by the antics of these bhakts?

Have I done that? I think you are giving too much credence to random social media users.

There are multiple decent Indian analysts like Nitin Gokhale who have provided good coverage of the recent standoff. Don't know why you are focusing souch on the trolls.

 

[ougoah]

We have already discusses this. That video was not released by official sources, it was an old video of somewhere completely different that was circulates on social media. India released official pictures of Rechin la later. Again, official sources and reputable media confirmed India did not violate ITS OWN PERCEPTION of the LAC, which is shown on Google maps.

I'm guessing you're referring to the "intrusion into Reqin (aka Rechin La)" moments of this standoff?

If so I understand you are of the position that India never crossed the LAC and only went to foot of black and helmet top hills. But the facts are there was a video released of dancing and singing indian soldiers celebrating what was presented (by non official but hmmmmmmm) as Indian successfully capturing Chinese land. This was also coincided (time) with Chinese state officially condemning India crossing into China and saying Indian soldiers reached far into Reqin and well beyond India's definition of LAC - beyond black top and helmet top hills.

Later on the Chinese state said Indians were repelled and a week or so later we all get videos and photos leaked from both sides of PLA at the top of what is supposed to be B and H tops and Indians soldiers at the foot of the hills.

Violate LAC or not, nothing really worth mentioning on this. Either India just went to the edge of the LAC and PLA then went to the edge (tops of hills) or India intruded into China proper and then left.

 

[twineedle]

I'm guessing you're referring to the "intrusion into Reqin (aka Rechin La)" moments of this standoff?

If so I understand you are of the position that India never crossed the LAC and only went to foot of black and helmet top hills. But the facts are there was a video released of dancing and singing indian soldiers celebrating what was presented (by non official but hmmmmmmm) as Indian successfully capturing Chinese land. This was also coincided (time) with Chinese state officially condemning India crossing into China and saying Indian soldiers reached far into Reqin and well beyond India's definition of LAC - beyond black top and helmet top hills.

Later on the Chinese state said Indians were repelled and a week or so later we all get videos and photos leaked from both sides of PLA at the top of what is supposed to be B and H tops and Indians soldiers at the foot of the hills.

Violate LAC or not, nothing really worth mentioning on this. Either India just went to the edge of the LAC and PLA then went to the edge (tops of hills) or India intruded into China proper and then left.

I believe those videos were determined to be footage of the early may clash at finger 4. AFAIK no footage of clashes at Rechin have been released.

Global Times also reported India was occupying China's side of the LAC until Feb agreement. India officially denied.

Remember India recognizes the Colombo line(shown on Google( as LAC which means ot recognizes Black, Helmet etc. as Aksai Chin. China however always believed the line was much west, which is why it inly withdrew in 62 after India agreed to a buffer zone there, which lastes until 2020.

China specifically and continuously accused India of violating the LAC in South Pang ong and occupying Chinese territory there until the Feb. disengagement at Pangong. And it is a well known fact that for the first five rounds of talks, China refused to even consider India's disengagement proposols. China simply demanded "equidistant disengagement," meaning India would have had to vacate Dhan Singh Thapa and completely leave the finger area. This changed during the sixth round, when China ultimately had no choice but to accept India's demands and restore status quo ante in North Pang ong. What changed between that time period is debateable.

 

[ougoah]

Have I done that? I think you are giving too much credence to random social media users.

There are multiple decent Indian analysts like Nitin Gokhale who have provided good coverage of the recent standoff. Don't know why you are focusing souch on the trolls.

Am I talking about you? thousands of Indians are using Bollywood scenes to create the fake narrative that India detained PLA. You know what I'm referring to since you are addressing it. Random social media users from India. I'm saying no other nation is this sad. Either they are intentionally misrepresenting or they are stupid. The last 60 odd years of Indian history seem to suggest both ( ) @longmarch

I mentioned the trolls. They are the imposing force and the only group that is loud and spreading their bullshit around.

Good coverage of the standoff is here and there. We know more about the smaller details now with more photos and videos released which only China has been doing.