Well said except the part about United front with Iran. The relationship with Iran is transactional only. Nothing more. Iran prefers FDIs from Europe over China. This is a transactional relationship. But let’s see how it develops moving forward.
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America - prints money and proud of it
India - people literally dying in the streets and Modi proud of it.
Australia - abused by everybody, friends or rivals, and proud of it.
Japan - they the ones who suggested the QUAD, and proud of it.
The QUAD, the strangest geopolitical grouping ever invented.
Japan is already a vassal; there is no incremental value-add with Quad. Australia can make noise and serve as a barking dog, but is light weight beyond that. India is supposedly the key to the Quad: the global supply chain alternative to China, the answer to China's vaccine diplomacy, the cannon fodder when the time comes. All these hope are dashed, at least in the foreseeable future.
Reminds one of TPP. It's dead on arrival, effectively.
The interesting part is if the USA really loses itself to the oncoming chaos (and that is if the dollar loses is reserve status along with all the other disasters pile up at the same time) then the other three are all equally screwed and will be forced to face reality. Also to note is that both China and Russia by themselves are capable of smashing any of these nations baring the USA with ease. I shudder a little as to how dead these other nations will be of Russia and China decide to team up and given all the past grievance imposed on by the west, this is possible. Thus the likelihood of defeat isn’t matter of if but when. But I see the oncoming crisis as a good thing as it will either destroy these nations to the point where they cannot harm any other nation ever again or if will force these nations to make a compromise to stop being foolish all the time.
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They didn’t name it twice for no reason now did they?
Now do you see how China has been able to catch up so quickly despite the US spending so much more on everything?
Even during the worst times of corruption, Chinese corrupt officials only ever skimmed a rounding error percentage off the top to line their own pockets. And they lived their entire lives in fear because of it.
In the west, corruption is legalised effectively, so not only do you have people taking significantly more off the top, they are essentially bullet proof and can enjoy that money without a single night’s lost sleep.
China needs to build bases in Cuba and Venezuela, and any other Latin America countries that want them. If these Anglo savages are going to build them in Japan and Korea and try to do the same in Vietnam, Philippines, etc. then why isn't China doing the same?
I hope it is just to bide its time and produce enough equipment for its homeland defense first, and not just because they don't want to.
I mean China cant just walk into those countries and start building bases . They are Sovereign nations afterall.
US built bases around China when China was a poor and weak nation. So the host nations knew there would be no blowback from anyone.
But Latin American nations cant do the same as US can wreck their nations economically and militarily . And due to geographical reasons no country (China, Russia) would be able to come to their rescue.
If Cuba even announces something like this they'll simply be annexed by US .
Look at Venezuela, their economy is toast and millions have fled into neighboring countries. This is the power of US sanctions and specifically Dollar. No other nation in the region wants the same to happen to them.
Ultimately everything boils down to economy, Unless China can shield these nations from economic collapse, none would risk inviting Chinese on their soil.
@horse Bro they're so Gung ho!!! they want to please the American so much and it flabbergasted them....LOL Its like a cavalry charge in the Battle of Balaclava with all the pomp and glory only to be butchered with her tail between her legs.....LOL. Bro all this butt hurt cries is not about China, its target audience is the US reminding her the sacrifices the Australia had done and should have a greater say. And that is the problem of being a hegemon, having so many vassals with competing interest. It drain you physically, financially and mentally, its okay if your the only sole superpower but with a peer competitor, that kind of vassal system will wobble as they each member will look for its owned interest.I think we are reading this all wrong.
It was too puzzling.
Australia goes out its way to provoke a fight with China, first over Huawei, then over everything it seemed.
China retaliates, and Australia screams butt hurt.
Next the allies, pay lip service, then abandons Australia, with New Zealand happy as can be with their place in the world, America taking over the coal shipments which used to be Australia's, and Canada taking over the barley shipment, which used to be Australia's.
Australia is still towing the same line, proud as can be.
Words like stupid or naive, do not cut it here. What we are seeing is entirely different, and that is why we could not understand it at first.
What we are seeing here is mental illness.
This is mental illness at work! Since I am not a doctor or anything like that, got to let them make the diagnosis.
Clearly they are in an abusive relationship. Rivals and friends all give them abuse. The more abuse Australia receives the more happy and proud they are. If this was society and Australia was an individual, the state would have taken Australia away and locked them up somewhere in an institution, because Australia is a danger to itself because it cannot cope with reality anymore.
@Petrolicious88 ,Bro I disagree big time, the Iranian had gain a great geopolitical leverage. Having both the Russian (military power) and China (economic power) behind her, it increase her bargaining power. The three of them are equals what this UNDERSTANDING is all about coordinating their diplomatic and economic development like the three musketeers all in one and one for all.
@sinophilia will that have any strategic gain? its a waste of resources, the Chinese is using an asymmetric warfare. exploits your opponent weakness, Latin America is the US backyard any Chinese military activity is a losing proposition just like the American are doing in the SCS. What the Chinese should do is do the opposite of what the American are doing. The Chinese should promote its PEACEFUL RISE development, it should now openly export this policy as an alternative to the US model, its better using your investment for goodwill rather than using it (buying/making arms) on bullying countries.
I specifically mentioned Cuba and USA who are already sanctioned to death. No, US won't annex Cuba if they agree to let China build there. Don't be dramatic. Even when Soviets were trying to station nukes in Cuba they didn't annex them lol..
Not sure why you think Venezuela or Cuba would be so violently opposed. They would LOVE it, US tries to do regime change in both countries all the time. Wouldn't be surprised if those countries and many others have already begged China privately to do so. I'm sure dozens of countries the US treats like pariahs have.