Chinese Economics Thread

Chish

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Hi mace,

They do complained a lot, the way the article is written sure leave a sour taste, if they want to diversify their economy away from China, then China had the right to plan ahead to insulate themselves and climb upward in the tech ladder, They are not forced by the CCP to established a factory in China the one who determined is the market.
Same here in Australia. The government and people keep complaining of China and standing on their ground saying China is not their only customer. They are looking for other markets. But Australian involved in the China businesses are saying that is not the right way to solve Australian trade with China. Australia is actually not trying to save the China trade but decoupling it to alternative markets where possible. Problem is they just can't find another market similar to China in two decades. Even if they find other markets, the problem with China remains unsolved. And Covid 19 is not helping either. Sad thing is, this is a political problem, not an actual commercial dispute.
 

hullopilllw

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Even if I am an abc, it would be karma if Australia does try something that China reacts with such overwhelming military force that it finally strikes home the hopelessness of the path that Scot Morrison has taken. It is clear he has no understanding that angering a super power isn’t a good idea, particularly one that is progressively upping the ante. Once the USA is out of the picture, I can picture Australia being picked apart by China to the point Australia simply folds since Australia does love to talk tough game but without the USA to back them, they are just one DF away from a smouldering parliament. Hopefully with Morison inside because is incompetences is too much

It is less about angering a superpower, but rather more of adhering to the international norm of having basic mutual fund for each other's sovereignty. China is not demanding any respect that she is not already providing to Australia all these time. For nation like Australia, it has been a long running norm to not give a damn nor treat non-western/allies' sovereign status seriously. Thus they have this twisted thinking that their interference in China's domestic affair is okay and acceptable, and even giving it a nice cover of "standing up for our universal values". When a bully bullies for too long, they see their own action as a norm. It just happened that China has grown to the point of having the capacity(yes, China has been tolerating all these decades) to hit back squarely at Australia to send the message : hey, you are crossing line, let's respect one another then we can have a foundation to build economic ties on. But it seems that the sense of superiority ingrained in the ruling class of Australia is still overruling the call for common sense. That is why some real pain is needed to bring them back to reality.

China is teaching Australia what essentially mutual respect means. Australian politicians misinterpreted it as coercion instead.
 
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emblem21

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China and Australia should mutually work together to reduce tensions. The signing of RCEP proves that both still want to cooperate. I am sure it will all work out as the common economic interests are there. The two economies are very complimentary.
Eventually they will but only after the USA implodes and Australia sees China’s military ready to take down Australia’s assets in the south China sea and then attempt to blockade all of Australia’s imports will they finally see reason. Also realising that no nation in the world is going to save them from China’s wrath is also something to consider because really australia has always been celebrating that whole operation in Gallipoli (which was an epic fail), I am sure they won’t want another Gallipoli happening on australia soil because Scomo doesn’t shut up and reality australia is too cowardly to accept real loses. Heck one from Russia submarine is enough to scare australia senseless, do they have the balls to accept one super sonic missile to the Parliament house because they seriously have no idea what weapons are in China’s arsenals right now it is almost ridiculous. Scomo doesn’t quite understand that China was able to australia helicopters away from the South China Sea with laser weapons that he cannot see just how many people are going to die if they sail there warships too close
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
The 14 disputes list is stupid. China Gov acting like "jilted lover"....
Your posts are stupid. These 14 points look reasonable to me as they address all of Australia's hostile behaviors towards China. You're acting as if bitter from unrequited love. Poor understanding, poor analysis, no natural vested interest (are you Chinese or American?), but can't stop talking about us...
 

hullopilllw

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China and Australia should mutually work together to reduce tensions. The signing of RCEP proves that both still want to cooperate. I am sure it will all work out as the common economic interests are there. The two economies are very complimentary.

Yes complimentary, but in unbalanced scale. 1% for one side, 40% for the other.
 

Gatekeeper

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China and Australia should mutually work together to reduce tensions. The signing of RCEP proves that both still want to cooperate. I am sure it will all work out as the common economic interests are there. The two economies are very complimentary.

This is where your prejudice outlook coloured your own judgement and bias analysis.

Yes, it will be great if China and Australia get along. It use to get along, as recently as the Rudd government and before.

But what changed? Did China changed and became aggressive towards Australia? Or did Australia changed by following US too closely, particularly thus Morrison government.

Don't forget, it isn't China sending warships to OZ's coast. It isn't China that is saying OZ is a security risk. It isn't China that insist Covid is China's fault and need to be investigated even though a respected world institution like the WHO said no need.

So please. This unnecessary tension is all down to OZ, and OZ alone.
 

emblem21

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It is less about angering a superpower, but rather more of adhering to the international norm of having basic mutual fund for each other's sovereignty. China is not demanding any respect that she is not already providing to Australia all these time. For nation like Australia, it has been a long running norm to not give a damn not treat non-western/allies' sovereign status seriously. Thus they have this twisted thinking that their interference in China's domestic affair is okay and acceptable, and even giving it a nice cover of "standing up for our universal values". When a bully bullies for too long, they see their own action as a norm. It just happened that China has grown to the point of having the capacity(yes, China has been tolerating all these decades) to hit back squarely at Australia to send the message : hey, you are crossing line, let's respect one another then we can have a foundation to build economic ties on. But it seems that the sense of superiority ingrained in the ruling class of Australia is still overruling the call for common sense. That is why some real pain is needed to bring them back to reality.

China is teaching Australia what essentially mutual respect means. Australian politicians misinterpreted it as coercion instead.
Sadly they are too stupid to realise that China is still trying to be nice enough to warn them they they are crossing some lines they shouldn’t cross, I suspect that if australia really does start a real fight that australia will finally suffer some real physical loses which is long over due. They get away for there actions due to the USA, remove that and one real fight with China later and they will have to come to terms that no, continuing to bully China based on the old white australia policy is a very bad idea and it is one that either australia gets used to or there will be more to come since really Australia’s military sucks and for all there talk, hasn’t advanced at all in the past few decades. They have no deterrence for hypersonic weaponry (no one has to be honest)just one missile from China and it is game over.
 

Gatekeeper

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Sadly they are too stupid to realise that China is still trying to be nice enough to warn them they they are crossing some lines they shouldn’t cross, I suspect that if australia really does start a real fight that australia will finally suffer some real physical loses which is long over due. They get away for there actions due to the USA, remove that and one real fight with China later and they will have to come to terms that no, continuing to bully China based on the old white australia policy is a very bad idea and it is one that either australia gets used to or there will be more to come since really Australia’s military sucks and for all there talk, hasn’t advanced at all in the past few decades. They have no deterrence for hypersonic weaponry (no one has to be honest)just one missile from China and it is game over.

The OZ reminds me of school bullies. You know there's always one real big guy. And one not so big, that the victims would have no problems doing over.

The smaller bully is the one doing all the bullying because it thinks the big guy got it's back. That's the one annoying guy I always go after when alone. When that happened, he always cried like a real baby.

Well OZ is that guy.
 
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