Chinese Economics Thread

siegecrossbow

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Yes other sectors are losing money (like food delivery, metals , auto industry in China were some are still loading money due to price wars , CATL for example made more profit this first quarter than all the top 7 Chinese car makers combined , which is crazy) for a while but other sectors are also benefiting from the AI boom , so all is not doom and gloom . People tend to always focus on one side depending on their bias, which is never the case in reality , since everything is always relative and not absolute. So we should always be measured in our observations.
china is doing relative well actually. So no point to being gloomy about them, same with US they have flourishing sectors and sectors that are not doing as great. But others will focus only one or the other depending on their own bias as well . Etc It’s all relative.
It isn’t so much China is doing well as everyone is doing really poorly. China just have a few silver linings that even things out a bit.
 

sunnymaxi

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Chinese air conditioner manufacturers work around the clock as European heatwaves drive booming demand for cooling products.

The units are being rushed to Europe via China-Europe freight trains in a bid to catch what remains of the peak summer season, the company said in a statement. "We have seen robust sales growth in parts of Western Europe. Our air conditioner sales in markets with relatively low air conditioner penetration, including France, Spain, Germany and the UK all posted a year-on-year increase of more than 70 percent," Midea said.

China exported $27.2 billion worth of air conditioners in 2025, accounting for nearly 40 percent of global exports.

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Racek49

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Yes other sectors are losing money (like food delivery, metals , auto industry in China were some are still loading money due to price wars , CATL for example made more profit this first quarter than all the top 7 Chinese car makers combined , which is crazy) for a while but other sectors are also benefiting from the AI boom , so all is not doom and gloom . People tend to always focus on one side depending on their bias, which is never the case in reality , since everything is always relative and not absolute. So we should always be measured in our observations.
china is doing relative well actually. So no point to being gloomy about them, same with US they have flourishing sectors and sectors that are not doing as great. But others will focus only one or the other depending on their own bias as well . Etc It’s all relative.
There are many ways to invest savings in real estate. Some may turn out to be bad over time, for example, speculative investments, but investing in your own home or your children's home is very healthy. The question is, what is the structure of these investments in China? I read somewhere that China has a high proportion of people living in their own property, but I don't know the specific values.
Personally, I have limited my real estate investments to my own family.
 

manqiangrexue

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Chinese air conditioner manufacturers work around the clock as European heatwaves drive booming demand for cooling products.

The units are being rushed to Europe via China-Europe freight trains in a bid to catch what remains of the peak summer season, the company said in a statement. "We have seen robust sales growth in parts of Western Europe. Our air conditioner sales in markets with relatively low air conditioner penetration, including France, Spain, Germany and the UK all posted a year-on-year increase of more than 70 percent," Midea said.

China exported $27.2 billion worth of air conditioners in 2025, accounting for nearly 40 percent of global exports.

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What's the point? They won't allow you to turn them on when they get there!

People in the US have secret underground heroine and cocaine parties while people in Europe have secret underground AC parties where they get to just sit in an illegally air conditioned room and relax LOL. The high rollers showing off their status go to sit in walk-in freezers with their coats on!
 

Wrought

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More sanctions on Japan.

China on Monday blacklisted four Japanese government defense research institutes and imposed tighter export restrictions on dozens of other Japanese entities, escalating a months-long campaign to limit Tokyo’s access to Chinese-origin dual-use goods. The Ministry of Commerce added 20 entities, including the National Institute for Defense Studies and research centers for ground, naval, and air systems,
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were also targeted.

Domestic exporters, as well as overseas organizations or individuals, are prohibited from transferring Chinese-origin dual-use items to the named entities, according to the statement, adding that any ongoing activities must stop immediately. Separately, China also added another 20, including
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Wrought

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Specific cost advantages vary widely depending on sector, but the advantage itself persists across all of them.

A McKinsey Global Institute report published on Tuesday underlines how vast this gap is. Researchers led by Chris Bradley and Anna Kortis analysed 10 major projects, calculating the average lifetime cost of production for each including operating expenses and financing costs. The results are striking: in seven out of ten cases, China is the world’s cost leader, with the rest going to Asian or Gulf countries. On average across the eight sectors in which China is ahead of the West, its costs are only 58% those of the closest competitor.

In nuclear reactors, electric vehicles and fast-follower monoclonal antibodies, its costs are less than half those of the nearest Western rival. In solar power, battery assembly, pharmaceutical production and semiconductors, it is cheaper by at least a quarter. Only in polyethylene - the most widely used plastic in the world - and steelmaking in electric arc furnaces does the U.S. come out ahead, thanks to its abundant supply of natural gas. Yet even here, China still undercuts Germany.

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Specific cost advantages vary widely depending on sector, but the advantage itself persists across all of them.



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Yes, an underappreciated fact of Yuan's appreciation is that it makes imports cheaper. The Plaza Accords are a death knell because it hurts monetary sovereignty and artificially rebalances trade. Yuan's appreciation will come when it comes, and trade will likely "rebalance" for China at some point as well, but naturally. Trade frictions, rise in consumption, development of China's economy will gradually transform the economy internally.

The funny thing is that this still leaves Europe and US exporters fucked. I just don't see how they'll compete with middle economies like Vietnam, Indonesia, Mexico, or Turkey. Squeezed at the top by China and squeezed from the bottom by everybody else.
 
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