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Michael90

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It's just a game of Hot Potato. None of these people were ever serious. It's just blame shifting.

The core tension is that the ambitions of the UK military and what it purports itself to aspire to, is completely at odds with its actual meagre resources and industrial base.
Agree 100% . That’s the real issue. Same with France .
 

Maikeru

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It's just a game of Hot Potato. None of these people were ever serious. It's just blame shifting.

The core tension is that the ambitions of the UK military and what it purports itself to aspire to, is completely at odds with its actual meagre resources and industrial base.
It's not just that. What money the UK does spend is often wasted due to poor procurement and/or contract execution:

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In the case of E7, 40% capability was cut for a 10% cost saving. Ajax is a standing joke, even relatively successful projects like QEC and Astute are invariably late and over-budget. Further back in time Nimrods AEW3 and MRA4 were both disastrous attempts to maintain a bespoke national capability rather than buy OTS.
 

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WARTON, England—BAE Systems has reached the "business end" of developing its Future Combat Air Demonstrator (FCAD), the aircraft that will pave the way for the fighter emerging from the tri-national Global Combat Air Program (GCAP).

Around 75% of the demonstrator by volume has now been manufactured, with major structural sections having spent the past 12-18 months in production as the airframer targets a rollout by the end of 2027.

“We are pushing boundaries, testing new things and trying new engineering and manufacturing approaches to be ready and match-fit for the main program that is to come,” Tony Godbold, BAE Systems’ FCAS delivery director, told journalists during briefings at the company’s facilities here earlier this month.

Aviation Week was one of a small number of trade publications allowed to see the front, center and rear fuselage sections of the demonstrator taking shape at BAE's site in Samlesbury, England, while the huge double-delta wings are being built at the Warton facility.

The company has also released a new artist's impression offering a more complete side profile of the aircraft.

Frames for each fuselage section have been aligned on jigs with the center fuselage section arguably the most revealing, showing two deep internal weapons bays positioned ahead of the main landing gear. Their size suggests the demonstrator could carry around twice the internal weapons volume of the F-35's relatively shallow bays and potentially accommodate larger-diameter stores.

Where the landing gear will be installed, faceted edges have been added to the frames to reduce the radar cross-section of where the gear doors will be fitted.

Individual ducts for the two Eurojet EJ200 engines wrap over the weapons bays and run almost the full length of the center fuselage, explaining the unusually shaped intake ducting displayed previously. It remains unclear whether the ducts stay parallel all the way to the rear of the aircraft or whether the engines are widely spaced, as journalists were not shown the aft section of the rear fuselage. The demonstrator also will feature modified engine nozzles rather than the standard Eurofighter Typhoon installation, Aviation Week has been told.

The intake-fuselage junction is manufactured as a single component using additive manufacturing. The component could not have been produced using conventional manufacturing techniques. Meanwhile hot isostatic pressing (HIP), has been used to produce titanium actuator cradles for the aircraft's large trailing-edge control surfaces.

Based on what was shown, the demonstrator appears to be at least one-third longer than the Eurofighter,
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, making it the largest aircraft assembled in the UK since the Nimrod MRA4. The production GCAP fighter is expected to be larger still.

For final assembly, BAE plans to transport the fuselage—referred to as the cigar—to Warton next year to be mated with the wings and vertical stabilizers. Three wings and three vertical stabilizers have been produced, two each for installation on the aircraft, and the third of each for structural testing.

Godbold said the demonstrator would continue BAE's tradition of building "large-finned aircraft," hinting that the vertical stabilizers could approach the size of those fitted to the Panavia Tornado—an aircraft often nicknamed “The Fin.”

Meanwhile, the composite skins are among the largest carbon-fiber structures ever produced by the UK aerospace industry.

“The demonstrator is allowing us to shift risk,” Godbold said. “It is better we trip up on things now that we don’t want to trip up on when we get into the main program.”

Godbold said work is already underway to secure military airworthiness certification—the first time BAE has undertaken the process from scratch. The company is also exploring how the demonstrator can support additional research objectives. Among the trials planned is endeavoring to prove low-observability techniques as well as missile launch from a weapons bay. To prepare for first flight, BAE said its test pilots have already accumulated more than 300 hr. in the simulator, while automated coding tools are generating much of the flight control software for the fly-by-wire system. The aircraft will be flown using a sidestick controller and a large-area cockpit display.

“It is a critical de-risk program for GCAP,” Godbold said. “It gets us early testing and generating real-world data that we are leveraging in the design process.”

“It also gets us ready in terms of our people and exercises new process tools and techniques that we've got to employ in the main program,” he added.

The pace of FCAD reflects the wider ambitions of GCAP, whose partners aim to deliver a next-generation fighter in roughly half the time it took to bring the Eurofighter Typhoon into service. Italy, Japan and the UK face a particularly demanding timetable, driven by Tokyo's requirement to field an initial operational capability in 2035.

The aircraft will eventually replace the Eurofighter fleets of Italy and the UK, as well as Japan's Mitsubishi F-2.

FCAD will be the first wholly UK-built demonstrator since the Experimental Aircraft Program (EAP), the aircraft that supported the development of the Eurofighter Typhoon. BAE will mark 40 years since EAP’s first flight in August.
 

CasualObserver

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Using EJ200 means it is a medium size fighter with bad side stealth due to "large vertical stabilizers"
"Based on what was shown, the demonstrator appears to be at least one-third longer than the Eurofighter,
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, making it the largest aircraft assembled in the UK since the Nimrod MRA4. The production GCAP fighter is expected to be larger still."
 

Maikeru

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Three wings and three vertical stabilizers have been produced, two each for installation on the aircraft, and the third of each for structural testing.

Godbold said the demonstrator would continue BAE's tradition of building "large-finned aircraft," hinting that the vertical stabilizers could approach the size of those fitted to the Panavia Tornado—an aircraft often nicknamed “The Fin.”


2 x Tornado sized vertical stabs is not exactly screaming 6th gen all aspect stealth levels to me.
 

Blitzo

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Three wings and three vertical stabilizers have been produced, two each for installation on the aircraft, and the third of each for structural testing.

Godbold said the demonstrator would continue BAE's tradition of building "large-finned aircraft," hinting that the vertical stabilizers could approach the size of those fitted to the Panavia Tornado—an aircraft often nicknamed “The Fin.”


2 x Tornado sized vertical stabs is not exactly screaming 6th gen all aspect stealth levels to me.

All concept art from the initiative has shown it with fairly substantial V tails for a while now, I'm not sure why this is news to anyone or worth any commentary more than what has already been said for the last few years.
 

Lethe

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. Previous notional future Type 32 frigate and Type 83 destroyer programs have been cancelled.

Of course there is very considerable debate about e.g. the survivability of surface warships in the 21st century and the extent to which disaggregated autonomous warships present as a viable and preferred path forward. Nonetheless, in exploring these brave new frontiers one would typically expect a significant level of risk mitigation, i.e. unmanned warships as complementary to rather than replacements for manned surface combatants: as well as rather than instead of. But with future major programs now explicitly sacrificed on the altar of disaggregated autonomy, that is clearly not what is going on here, which fuels suspicion that these decisions are driven as much by budgetary considerations as by anything else. Yet how can that be when, less than a year ago, Keir Starmer publicly committed the UK to very significant increases in defence spending over the next decade?

When the US Navy embarked upon its transformational programs around the turn of the century, there was a certain level of mockery and schadenfreude as those programs fell flat on their respective faces. But crucially, even the spectacular failure of the entire LCS-DD(X)-CG(X) pipeline did not threaten the preeminent role of the US Navy on the high seas, because USN already had a large inventory of modern and very capable surface combatants, and they were able to pivot to continue building more of them in relatively short order. The Royal Navy has no such backstop. To be sure, the delivery of the Type 26 and Type 31 frigate programs will continue for perhaps most of the next decade. But neither of those types has any serious AAW capability, let alone BMD capability. The pathway that is now being embarked upon presents as a brittle one indeed.
 
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Broccoli

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Opinions what I've read seem to point towards cost saving priority rather than something what is required. Then again maybe that is the future as we've seen conventional carries of all sorts having two bridges like British Queen Elizabeth-class.
 

Broccoli

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When in service, these CCVs will work alongside eight Type 26 and five Type 31 crewed frigates, as well as Type 91 uncrewed missile platforms, Type 92 uncrewed underwater sensing platforms, Type 93 Extra-Large Uncrewed Underwater Vehicles and Type 94 uncrewed sensor platforms, representing a once in a generation investment in new maritime capability.
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