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BoronCarbide

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This looks like indirect subsidies from the Government to prop up GM. They (GM) are not competitive internationally in EVs and have little future outside the US. GM have also set up Banking units (which went really well last time).

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Ze German Auto industry is also moving into the arms supply chain as their sales hemorrhage.
 

iewgnem

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It does reinforce to the Chinese public that the west will be hostile no matter what so we might aswell use this opertunity for europe to weaken themselves and China would step in and impose a century of humiliation on Europe as payback for the China century of humiliation.
I dislike the idea of imposing century of humiliation on the west because who says they deserve only a century?
 

iewgnem

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And people here thought Europe would bow down to China just cause of economic hardship. Europe is much more anti-China than even US

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When will Chinese stop fawning for Macron and start ousting french fashion brands?
It shouldn't be hard for someone to go there, look up which other brands are in that department store and make it public.

But the fundamental fallacy Europeans make is they assume they're important, it leads them to think China wants them to bow down, or wants their market, or wants to trade with them. Actual reality is China doesn't want to subjugate Europe, China simply does not care a single iota if Europe can survive under Chinese dominance. If European market is open, China will take it over, if European markets close, China will close to them, either works for China, it really doesn't matter if Europeans collectively collapse back to the dark ages.
 

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Aperently some people cutting in line and getting called out and being sent back concludes that Line Cutting is Chinese Culture.

This is basically proof that Chinese Diaspora is for the most part very much on par with the Hong Cuck (poster is singaporean) as they literally try to say that they more chinese while at the same time empathize that different than Chinese like make up your minds already.

This honestly of the death of a toddler named Wang Yue being used to show China's is having a moral decay. Media literally forgot the driver contacted the father and turned himself in. The fact that a toddlers death was being used for political propaganda is disgusting.
 

supersnoop

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I appreciate the good points you raised which is valid and coming from the right place, but you didn't touch on the actual crux of the issue and your arguments could be better.

Let me remind some of you people here that the word "COLONY" is called 租界 in the Han language. The word "COLONY" is officially defined as "Native lands under FOREIGN RULE", the "Foreign" here refers to the UK not China, so do not get the facts twisted. In addition, the literal translation of the Han characters 租界 literally means "Rented/ Leased place", which is a very accurate description of what happened. So can any genius here tell me what does the word "RENTED" means???

Regardless if you were born in HK under the rule of British colonial occupation when HK was LEASED to a FOREIGN colonial power after the Opium Wars, or under the RIGHTFUL rule of your own native motherland (regardless which Chinese government was legitimate at that time i.e. Qing or ROC or PRC), you are FACTUALLY a Chinese and from China.

You cannot change this fact.

@horse , and anyone with similar mindset should absolutely be ashamed of themselves for saying such 逆天之詞. And that undoubtedly includes Olivia Chow. There is absolutely no debate here.

P.S. even the most delusional Singaporean who was born during the Singapore colonial era still identified themselves as either Malaysian or Singaporean or even Chinese (due to the stronger ancestral bond among the older generation), but never as a BRITISH/ British entity/ Foreign imperialist entity (btw the Singapore situation is even more complex as Singapore was later kicked out by Malaysia). Please do not disgust me.
No one should care if they disgust you because you are an idiot who doesn’t know what he (or she) is talking about.

Could someone from HK freely cross into mainland China in the 70’s? No. End of story, so shut up about this leased land/colony BS.

If people from HK are denying they are of Chinese ethnicity/origin, that is another can of stupid, but before 1997, people in HK were not Chinese nationals, full stop.

I don’t know Olivia Chow, or what is in her head, and I don’t care for her politics. However, as @horse pointed out, she worked many years in downtown Toronto Chinatown, where all the poorest Chinese lived for many years before the kids got better education and jobs to move them out. These are not just Chinese from China or HK, but also many from Vietnam who came to Toronto with nothing. No comparison to the more affluent Chinese who came from 90’s HK, or post 2000’s PRC. So if you don’t know these facts, shut up.
 

Temstar

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SIMULATION
The table-top simulation was played with people from think-tanks playing the roles of the EU Commission, the EU Council, individual European nations, plus China, the US, and Japan.

As the game progressed, it became evident that the Europeans’ best bet for demanding a deal that was advantageous for themselves was by threatening to refuse to allow China to have the chipmaking machines made only by ASML of the Netherlands.

But the Europeans were disunited on how powerfully they should make the threats. (Also, the coercive bullyboy US had already ordered the Dutch company to stop sales of all recent models to China, so the Chinese could only buy older machines.)

The Chinese player said such European actions between trading partners were unfriendly, and they would have to retaliate by stopping the sale of rare earth elements.

This worried the Europeans, who needed a constant supply for their car factories.

LIMITED TRADE WEAPONS
The session ended with no resolution except for China agreeing to trade talks a couple of months later—or basically, kicking the can down the road. The Europeans had achieved nothing.
Bruh, so at this simulation the Europeans played the most obvious card - that they didn't have because US already played it - and their Chinese player then also played the most obvious move and it was game over.

You could put me as the Chinese player and I could come up with more creative cards than that. Suppose China approves another batch of dual use goods to Russia like those golf buggies? Suppose China opens up the nascent Qianfan/Guowang for Russians to use with their Geran drones?
 
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iewgnem

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Bruh, so at this simulation the Europeans played the most obvious card - that they didn't have because US already played it - and their Chinese player then also played the most obvious move and it was game over.

You could put me as the Chinese player and I could come up with more creative cards than that. Suppose China approves another batch of dual use goods to Russia like those golf buggies? Suppose China opens up the nascent Qianfan/Guowang for Russians to use with their Geran drones?
In order to properly play Chinese cards you need to have an actual understanding science, i.e. chemistry, industrial processes and general understanding of how things are made and how they work. A room of European politicians is the last place you'd find people with that knowledge, so the fact that they still lost despite having no knowledge of China's actual cards is pretty hilarious.
 

tamsen_ikard

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Bruh, so at this simulation the Europeans played the most obvious card - that they didn't have because US already played it - and their Chinese player then also played the most obvious move and it was game over.

You could put me as the Chinese player and I could come up with more creative cards than that. Suppose China approves another batch of dual use goods to Russia like those golf buggies? Suppose China opens up the nascent Qianfan/Guowang for Russians to use with their Geran drones?
China getting creative at playing their cards? That would be the day.

They have never played any equal card since the trade war started out of timidity.

The only real card they have ever played is the RE card and only when Trump got too aggressive to the point of no return.

What happened to the nexperia issue? Again gave up and showed timidity.
 
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