Where the hell did that incredibly strange rumor that Chinese pilots communicate in english come from "for clairity", was it from a OPFOR exercise?
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Theoretical question,
If specific air combat situations are dependent on awacs then why not just mount the awacs unit with LR missiles? Why have several fighters/interceptors guarding the awacs; why not just have one large cargo ac loaded with dozens of missiles?
I'm talking specifically those scenarios in which friendly interceptors/fighters stay within it's awacs radar envelope.
If specific air combat situations are dependent on awacs then why not just mount the awacs unit with LR missiles? Why have several fighters/interceptors guarding the awacs; why not just have one large cargo ac loaded with dozens of missiles?
I'm talking specifically those scenarios in which friendly interceptors/fighters stay within it's awacs radar envelope.
Because an AWAc doesn’t have the kinematic performance of fighter aircraft. It sucks at evading enemy missiles as well as going fast and high to impart enough starting energy to the missile so it could operate at the optimal flight envelope.
Also, if you really think about it J-36 is kind of an AWAC/Fighter hybrid.
Adding on to Siege's comments, with CEC networking you don't need the launch platform to be an AWACS. It's more beneficial to launch closer to the target so why risk an AWACS flying closer unless it's for the radar coverage. ULRAAM is exactly the type of weapon that should be deployed by something like a JH-xx, GJ-x and H-20. Sure the JH-xx is hypothetical but the GJ-x and H-20 could utilise their stealth to get closer and make greater use of a ULRAAM's energy provided there is enough guidance at those extremes. JH-xx would be able to utilise launch platform's energy (assuming the JH-xx is supersonic).
No point using an AWACS when you have much better platforms to carry and launch bulky and heavy ULRAAMs. As for LRAAMs like PL-17, even fighters can launch them and fighters impart far greater energy compared to subsonic heavy aircraft.
This is precisely why 6th gen fighter like J-36 dominates the current understanding of air combat. Supersonic and ULO stealth packing PL-17 sized LRAAMs. It's two leaps ahead of something like an F-22 packing AIM-120Ds which are already outranged by the now superseded PL-15s. The US is trying to fit the AIM-260 onto F-35 and maybe F-22s and that's just an equivalent to the PL-15/16.
That's Xining Intl Airport in Qinghai Province. No idea of any significant PLA related stuff nearby other than the JLSC. Maybe they just visited the city and the nearby Qinghai Lake for the May Day holidays (“走了走了” is more of a "I'm leaving I'm leaving" phrase when spoken and the May Day holidays wrapped up yesterday)
Alright I'll try the question here. Are any of you guys aware of a fairly recent documentary made on Chinese flankers? It actually went into some history of other PLAAF fighters as well, and even had some interesting critiques of the flanker that I had not ever heard about before. If any of you guys know the name of this documentary or of a documentary like this I would be very thankful.
What are the contingencies if AWACs and satellites on both sides are taken out on both sides (us/china)? How does China ensure its critical BVR assets are safe? I don’t know if it’s safe to assume that China could emerge from a major war with its AWACs untouched. It’s possible it’s critical pieces such as AWACs get bombed during resupply/maintenance by drones and missiles thrown from Japan (Interception isn’t 100%). On top of this, wouldnt the immense amount of EW jamming and stealth greatly increase chances of WVR encounters?
China already has more AWACs/AEW/EW/ISR type aircraft (including unmanned) than the USAF and USN combined. China has between 10-15 separate types of AWACs/AEW/EW/ISR type aircraft (including unmanned). Almost all of them are considerably more modern than American ones.
China is producing these aircraft types at several magnitudes higher rate than the US. Sure that's because China is spamming them while the US is sitting still and that wont be the case in a war but the US hasn't got the rare earths to build a single one if China stop all exports entirely which would happen during war.
You'd also need to remember that any war is regional and taking place in the western pacific. The US can't bring all its forces there. It can only bring a small fraction of its total force to face basically half of China's military might which is focused entirely on the western pacific. China outnumbers the US 100:1 in a realistic war scenario. Outproduces the US in 9999999 out of 10000000 scenarios. All with more modern equipment developed and made in the last 20 years vs US equipment spread back to the 1980s.
I'm including AEW, EW, ISR and assorted "special mission" aircraft because those are peripheral types and made in commensurate numbers and have similar levels of critical importance. The US used to be a wide lead but China has lapped it.
The US has zero hope of fighting against China and this has been true for a very long time. Their top level people know this and have for a long time. There are many reasons why they always go to China in the last 10 years as equals (so they believe anyway) and now they've been going to China as beggers, bringing all their top corporate leaders (actual masters of the US) with all their begging bowls out. Who brings their entire top corporate class to another country for a diplomatic mission? They know they've been lapped by China and want to negotiate for a number 2 position. Negotiating with all the people who actually have the power in the US (corporate elites). Dumbfucks around the world will not understand today's ground realities for another 20 years.
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