Z-XX - new heavy-lift helicopter

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gelgoog

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The Russians were supposed to supply the engine for the helicopter but that went nowhere. Development was switched from Aviadvigatel to Kuznetsov. The engine was renamed from PD-12V to PD-8V since it switched to the PD-8 engine core. They would be lucky if it is in serial production by 2030.
 
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Michael90

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gelgoog said:
The Russians were supposed to supply the engine for the helicopter but that went nowhere. Development was switched from Aviadvigatel to Kuznetsov. The engine was renamed from PD-12V to PD-8V since it switched to the PD-8 engine core. They would be lucky if it is in serial production by 2030.
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Seriously, seems Russians are not as reliable as one would imagine. Even Chinese/european cooperation has yielded far better results than cooperation either Russia. Look at the safran/AVIC WZ16 (Ardiden 3C) for the AC352 and the Arriel 2H for the AC312E. They are already been successful produce and in full service in China and even Europe .
Cooperation with Russia always seems to go nowhere, I’m not even optimistic with ILRS with Russia, believe it will end up a Chinese only led project as always(similar to civil airliner C929)
 
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mack8

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The reality is the programs mentioned mostly failed because China is still regretably kowtowing to the US blackmail to play along the embargos against Russia. This is still a disappointing weakness of China's foreign policy, particularly as the US is not even hiding it's nefarious plans against China.
 
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SlothmanAllen

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Michael90 said:
Seriously, seems Russians are not as reliable as one would imagine. Even Chinese/european cooperation has yielded far better results than cooperation either Russia. Look at the safran/AVIC WZ16 (Ardiden 3C) for the AC352 and the Arriel 2H for the AC312E. They are already been successful produce and in full service in China and even Europe .
Cooperation with Russia always seems to go nowhere, I’m not even optimistic with ILRS with Russia, believe it will end up a Chinese only led project as always(similar to civil airliner C929)
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Realistically China will soon have surpassed Russian knowledge in these areas. Once they have their first design in production and the part sources domesticated I cannot imagine them ever looking to work with Russia.
 
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ACuriousPLAFan

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sunnymaxi said:
years old news and this project has been dead. China decided to go alone in this category class Helicopter.
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One of the somewhat more prevalent rumors that I've seen recently is that there are two separate projects of heavy-lift helicopters under development in China:
- One being a ~10-15-ton payload helicopter (i.e., closer to CH-53K);
- The other being a ~20-25-ton payload helicopter (i.e., closer to Mi-26).
In addition, it has also been rumored that the smaller helicopter is exclusively developed by China (i.e., zero Russian participation), whereas the larger helicopter is (at this stage) a China-dominated project, with Russia playing more of a component supplier/contractor role (said to be for the reduction gearbox and transmission systems).

Of course, do take this information with a pinch of salt for the time being.
 
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