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Serb

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The orange paedo having a meltdown, things must be going very well with the war.

At this point, Trump looks physically incapable of saying anything even remotely true anymore. It is just lies and bullshit on reflex.

I have not seen a single normal, reality-based statement from him since he became president again.

And the more confusing, honestly more embarrassing part is not even him and his ego noise anymore.

It is the westoid, and to some extent, global media, still reporting every sentence and every deranged outburst as if it contains any actual useful information and deserves serious analysis.
 
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reservior dogs

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Trump has this long planned visit to China in April. Set aside the prospect that this visit might be clouded by the war with Iran, I want to take a look what each side would want from the other.

From the Chinese side, they would want
1. EVU, though, this would go away in a couple of years.
2. Lower tariffs on Chinese products
3. Opening the U.S. for Chinese investment (EV factories).
4. most advance chips
5. Taiwan

From the U.S. side, we have
1. Rare earth metals,
2. purchase of corn and other agricultural products.
3. Buying U.S. bonds with the huge Chinese trade surplus.
4. Opening Chinese financial sector.

At first glance, there is no big irreconcilable differences. Both sides can give each what they need without itself suffering any undue hardship. This is the basis of a win win relationship. The key to see if any of these will happen is Trump's ability to execute. Each of the compromise from the U.S. hurts the interest of one or more lobby group. The EV will hurt Detroit. The EUV will hurt Apple and Nvidia. The most advance chips will hurt OpenAI etc. The Tariffs will hurt a bunch of companies. Even for Taiwan, there is a strong Taiwan lobby. Given how badly Trump bungled the Iran war, I don't think he has the ability to deliver his end of the bargain. Now the Iran war adds a potential need from the U.S. for Chinese help to get out of the war. Given enough concessions, I am sure the Chinese will be willing to help, but they won't do it for free and at the end of the deal, there will probably involve Chinese military guarantee.

Unfortunately for us, all of the demands from us except the opening of the financial market are urgent needs. Long term corn embargo could cause American farmers to go bankrupt, a source of vote for Trump could go away. The rare earth metals shortage is already hitting the MIC. Pictures of F-35 delivered without radars have surfaced. The ballooning debt is already at dangerous level and we are seeing lack of interest in the U.S. bond market. While this will likely not topple U.S. financial markets in the next few months, our irresponsible government spending will need someone with the heft of China to extend our lifeline.

On the Chinese side, they have done pretty good without EUV thus far. In a couple of years, this issue will be moot. The most advanced Nvidia chips could be smuggled into China. Lowering U.S. tariffs would be nice for China, but the portion of Chinese exports to the U.S. has gone from 22% in 2017 to 9% in 2025. What is left are increasingly things the U.S. can't do without. Opening the U.S. for Chinese investment would be nice, but the world is big and there are many opportunities for the Chinese to spend their trade surplus outside the U.S.

It is unfortunate that our democratic system elected these horrible leaders from both sides. Trump went bankrupt six times. While you might say that he retained much of his wealth through the six bankruptcies, we at a minimum can conclude that this is his consistent failure to execute at some level. Now this trait will show itself in the way he runs this country.
 

Wrought

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Some backpedaling (?) from the US side regarding the delayed visit. I hesitate because it's not a safe assumption that Trump actually decided on a concrete reason in the first place, instead of just spouting off whatever comes to mind.

Trump suggested Sunday that the summit could be
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to help reopen the Strait of Hormuz. Bessent walked those comments back on Monday, arguing the summit would be delayed if Trump chooses to stay in Washington to coordinate the war effort in Iran. “If the meetings are delayed, it wouldn’t be delayed because the president demanded that China police the Strait of Hormuz,” Bessent said in an interview with CNBC’s
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in Paris. “If the meeting, for some reason, is rescheduled, it would be rescheduled because of logistics.” “It would be a decision the president made as commander in chief to stay in the White House or to stay in the United States while this war is being prosecuted,” he said.

The comments also indicate that the White House is anticipating the war — which Trump initially said would last for days — will be an ongoing concern a month after it began.

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reservior dogs

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Some backpedaling (?) from the US side regarding the delayed visit. I hesitate because it's not a safe assumption that Trump actually decided on a concrete reason in the first place, instead of just spouting off whatever comes to mind.



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The fact that he is begging even China to help reopen the strait speaks to how far the U.S. has fallen.
 
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