Occasional failed intercepts? We're seeing on average it takes 4+ interceptors to have a good shot (let's say 75% chance) of taking out one incoming ballistic missile.
PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency
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Or take out key air defense assets using more expensive high end missiles, thus allowing the cheaper slower missiles to be able to reach their targets.
It's useful to also point out that some of the targets have even been taken out by slow-moving drones (e.g. the large radar dome in that viral twitter video) This means either the US spent all the interceptors on fast moving missiles, or they have to simply allow some drones through to avoid spending all the interceptors & be left with their pants down when the fast movers are launched.
Either way that's a bad sign for the US...
From your endless shit takes across multiple threads I would only think you are either a troll or genuinely malfunctioned.
Where are the patriots here?
Here you have 3 patriot missiles and they all failed to intercept an Iranian BM.
Can you please prove with either statistics or videos how Patrios are proven to be extremely effective against Iranian BM?
Western air defence missiles are much worse than Russian ones which are in turn worse than Chinese ones. The whole perception to reality of westards have proven to be inverted.
At least Ukrainian and Russian AD systems worked better than the German French and American systems supplied to Ukraine. Ukrainians say their old Soviet AD systems outperform the shit NATO sent them. These are just established facts. Proportionally more Russian fighters Ukraine shot down and missiles intercepted have been using Soviet AD. It's just Ukraine is running out of Soviet era AD and have to increasingly rely on NATO AD and they say NATO AD sucks whenever they feel they can be honest. Every other instance they feel obliged to pander and say it's okay just so they can receive more. Russian AD has also been working much better than NAFO have been claiming online. AD is always on the backfoot and never work well at the best of times. It's just that western AD is about as good as having no AD.
NATO AD failures in Saudi Arabia to Kuwait in the last 20 years of middle eastern conflicts is yet another fact. They can't do AD to save their lives. Western AD has never worked in history outside of Israel's David Sling, Arrows, and Iron Dome. These three classes of Israeli AD are by far the best performing track record of western AD and they still suck against Iranian missiles. Give examples of American and European AD working well that isn't BS propaganda. You can't find any? because it's never happened. You think it's because the success stories are hidden? Lol and those targets they were protecting have always been obliterated and obliterated by the most ill equipped folks to ever grace a battlefield. Every single time it's against farmers and sandal wearers and these guys still fuck up the targets protected by western AD.
At least Ukrainian and Russian AD systems worked better than the German French and American systems supplied to Ukraine. Ukrainians say their old Soviet AD systems outperform the shit NATO sent them. These are just established facts. Proportionally more Russian fighters Ukraine shot down and missiles intercepted have been using Soviet AD. It's just Ukraine is running out of Soviet era AD and have to increasingly rely on NATO AD and they say NATO AD sucks whenever they feel they can be honest. Every other instance they feel obliged to pander and say it's okay just so they can receive more. Russian AD has also been working much better than NAFO have been claiming online. AD is always on the backfoot and never work well at the best of times. It's just that western AD is about as good as having no AD.
NATO AD failures in Saudi Arabia to Kuwait in the last 20 years of middle eastern conflicts is yet another fact. They can't do AD to save their lives. Western AD has never worked in history outside of Israel's David Sling, Arrows, and Iron Dome. These three classes of Israeli AD are by far the best performing track record of western AD and they still suck against Iranian missiles. Give examples of American and European AD working well that isn't BS propaganda. You can't find any? because it's never happened. You think it's because the success stories are hidden? Lol and those targets they were protecting have always been obliterated and obliterated by the most ill equipped folks to ever grace a battlefield. Every single time it's against farmers and sandal wearers and these guys still fuck up the targets protected by western AD.
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This strategy of depleting Air defence capacity with less capable missiles is redundant. A single patriot battery can hold up to 128 PAC 3 CRI and 98 MSE interceptors. You would waste 100s of millions depleting that.
Now with China's diversity of world class missiles and ISR platforms. They could target the Air defence units right then and there. Missiles like the DF-17(depending on the cost) , YJ-18C, AKF-98, AKF-88 potentially YJ-15 are sufficient for the job.
And as we've seen, US ground based AD has quite unimpressive performance against anything that isn't a third rate scud variant.
US AD have failed repeatedly against even the third rate 1980s SCUD. They say they corrected the clock issue from the original Patriot that achieved a whopping <10% success rate against SCUDs but Iran doesn't use SCUDs.
US AD has no chance intercepting a third rate (by China's PLARF standards) DF-15 let alone a real HGV like DF-17.
You're also forgetting China would perform saturation attacks against US. In this regard, it is worth shooting less capable and older missiles not in an attempt to deplete AD (or the actual target if not the AD site) but to overwhelm its radar tracking and operators. For every missile Iran is capable of throwing, China is capable of throwing 100. It's fair to say China outproduces just about anything you care to think of compared to Iran by more than a magnitude of 2. Let's take something like cars or ships over 500 tonnes. China has build more than 100 times that of Iran with ease. For most products it's a magnitude of 3 or 4 at least. Google what magnitude actually means if you don't know and if you think Iran has 500 ballistic missiles stockpiled, you best believe China would have 50,000 if it is marching to war against the US. Difference is USA has no chance of air superiority even within the first island chain, let along over China. The factories will be running 24/7 and if they are hit, American factories aren't intact either. DF-5, FOBS, DF-31, DF-41, DF-45/51, CJ-1000, JL-1 ALBM, JL-2 SLBM, JL-3 SLBM, YJ-20, YJ-19, YJ-17 will ensure no American MIC is left intact.
US stands zero chance in this region against China if it's getting its ships obliterated with ease by Iran within just 18 hours of war. Iran has managed to take out several US airbases protected by multilayered integrated American air defences. Take out a US warship. Take out at least two important over the horizon radar units. All of these protected by integrated air defences.
USA is performing worse than Russia. For all the shit NAFOids gave Russia, looks like Westoids bend harder during actual war. They fully clowned themselves and worst part is they don't even realise or notice just how much Iran is embarrassing them. Honestly could never have expected so many US airbases to be hit so easily.
US AD has no chance intercepting a third rate (by China's PLARF standards) DF-15 let alone a real HGV like DF-17.
You're also forgetting China would perform saturation attacks against US. In this regard, it is worth shooting less capable and older missiles not in an attempt to deplete AD (or the actual target if not the AD site) but to overwhelm its radar tracking and operators. For every missile Iran is capable of throwing, China is capable of throwing 100. It's fair to say China outproduces just about anything you care to think of compared to Iran by more than a magnitude of 2. Let's take something like cars or ships over 500 tonnes. China has build more than 100 times that of Iran with ease. For most products it's a magnitude of 3 or 4 at least. Google what magnitude actually means if you don't know and if you think Iran has 500 ballistic missiles stockpiled, you best believe China would have 50,000 if it is marching to war against the US. Difference is USA has no chance of air superiority even within the first island chain, let along over China. The factories will be running 24/7 and if they are hit, American factories aren't intact either. DF-5, FOBS, DF-31, DF-41, DF-45/51, CJ-1000, JL-1 ALBM, JL-2 SLBM, JL-3 SLBM, YJ-20, YJ-19, YJ-17 will ensure no American MIC is left intact.
US stands zero chance in this region against China if it's getting its ships obliterated with ease by Iran within just 18 hours of war. Iran has managed to take out several US airbases protected by multilayered integrated American air defences. Take out a US warship. Take out at least two important over the horizon radar units. All of these protected by integrated air defences.
USA is performing worse than Russia. For all the shit NAFOids gave Russia, looks like Westoids bend harder during actual war. They fully clowned themselves and worst part is they don't even realise or notice just how much Iran is embarrassing them. Honestly could never have expected so many US airbases to be hit so easily.
I think he is talking about the supply ship.
You mean a target ship tied pier side? That allegedly they also missed as well.