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ougoah

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Seems to be the same aircraft/model, allegedly taken at an RCS testing facility a few months ago

There were non-reputable folks on Chinese forums claiming right after J-36 reveal in December 2024 that there was a J-36 looking aircraft (triangular and simple geometry unlike J-50) that is high supersonic. Recall one blurry, super zoomed in image of an otherworldly looking and an exhaust trail. The image does tend to resemble this thing. We all ignored it since there wasn't much more info behind it and came from some randoms.

Having said that, that rumour and the performance assigned to that theoretical aircraft was also mistakenly tied to the J-36 hence lots of chatter of J-36 being high supersonic until reputable sources mentioned that J-36 is not designed for even mid to high supersonic implied mach 2.5+
 

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It was true before reusable rockets, but the commercial cost of aerospace planes is higher than that of reusable rockets, aerospace planes are more for strategic/military purposes.
We may have a misunderstanding here, I am referring to the first-level horizontal takeoff and landing platform such as the one in the Tengyun project. If such a launch system is successful, it will have a significant reduction in cost compared to vertical reusable rockets.
 

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bsdnf

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We may have a misunderstanding here, I am referring to the first-level horizontal takeoff and landing platform such as the one in the Tengyun project. If such a launch system is successful, it will have a significant reduction in cost compared to vertical reusable rockets.
I'm referring to the Tengyun Project, it's costs is higher than those of reusable rockets. It's TBCC engines are very expensive, insulation and heat dissipation materials also more expensive, yet it's deliver a small payload capacity.
 
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visitant

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I'm referring to the Tengyun Project, it's costs is higher than those of reusable rockets. It's TBCC engines are very expensive, insulation and heat dissipation materials also more expensive, yet it's deliver a small payload capacity.
Clearly we have different views on this point, but this topic is too off-topic, let's stop here.
 

Deino

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Seems to be the same aircraft/model, allegedly taken at an RCS testing facility a few months ago


Per my info it was seen first in October 2023 at the RCS-facility at Gaobeidian. But what is the second strange or "2-unusual-chinese-aircraft-seen-at-the-same-spot-at-v0-imi768zzi9re1.jpg" since this is the first?

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GTI

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There were non-reputable folks on Chinese forums claiming right after J-36 reveal in December 2024 that there was a J-36 looking aircraft (triangular and simple geometry unlike J-50) that is high supersonic. Recall one blurry, super zoomed in image of an otherworldly looking and an exhaust trail. The image does tend to resemble this thing. We all ignored it since there wasn't much more info behind it and came from some randoms.

Having said that, that rumour and the performance assigned to that theoretical aircraft was also mistakenly tied to the J-36 hence lots of chatter of J-36 being high supersonic until reputable sources mentioned that J-36 is not designed for even mid to high supersonic implied mach 2.5+
You’re right, it looks a lot like that. I’ve just been trying to find those pictures, but no luck so far.
 

ougoah

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You’re right, it looks a lot like that. I’ve just been trying to find those pictures, but no luck so far.

Janes called it the high speed vehicle HSV

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Honestly to me it sort of resembles the MD-22, the one with at least two engines. MD-19 scaled demonstrator was shown a few years ago when the programs bear fruit im guessing they evolve to proper PLA projects or get introduced into service. I suspect MD-19, MD-21, MD-22 programs were just designations for precursor concept programs hence their relative lack of secrecy when they were shown at Zhuhai some years ago.

Looks to be the case, and the MD-19 may actually precede the larger MD-22 test flight 2020.jpg

BTW this is the mystery aircraft under the H-6.

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Seriously the planform lines up so well with the MD-22.



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Originally I thought maybe this is the Tengyun or one of the single/two stage to orbit air+space craft but the official sources have made it pretty clear that those carry a small spacecraft that glides back to earth and so they will likely be considerably larger than this HSV.

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ougoah

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Too zoomed in from video these photos were screenshot from and maybe AI enhancement applied so this is kind of not useful outside of the aircraft using two engines.

Might not be the HSV from 2023 satellite capture.

Certainly not the same as the aircraft under the H-6 (that isn't the WZ-8 but some biplane/triplane looking planform) and unlikely to be Tengyun or any of the horizontal take off and landing S/TSTO.

HSV looks much longer than J-36 and high supersonic. Similar sweep angle to WZ-8 but longer fuselage length to wingspan ratio. With enough push and the right design who knows if it can break into hypersonic territory. Maybe JH-xx is alive and isn't just a mere low supersonic regime strike aircraft.
 
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ougoah

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I wish China would be as open as the US is. China has this habit of slowly dropping tiny hints in the background here and there over years and only many years after something is deemed a lesser security concern. If they were as open as the US, we'd have pretty much official confirmation just how far ahead of the US China already is today in aerospace in almost every tech branch except turbofans and civil aviation.

Of particular interest I find are the non-turbofan engine programs that China has been flying.

Last official hint is at least one type of scramjet China's got is mach 9 capable. May be tied to the YJ-19 or could be one of many other HCMs or even larger aircraft, possibly as part of manned aircraft even. These latest revelations - HCMs, 6th gen fighters, UADFs, FOBS, unmanned stealth bombers, H-20, high supersonic aircraft. All of these items we've had hints of over the years. Almost every single one had easter eggs going back nearly a decade. Insiders sometimes talk about some properly wild technologies but we barely get a trickle. Sometimes you just want to know everything and with PLA watching, it's absolutely frustrating at times. Can they just tell us with words at least. Manned regional strike aircraft with mach 4+ performance. Done. Give it to us in full when you're comfortable years/decades later but give us the knowledge first and a few teaser images and videos.

In contrast, the US keep their fans on constant DMing the latest drops of which there are barely any and they will gloat and brag when their stuff is in the investor scamming phase. How many bullshit hypersonic xyz have we heard from the private sector that went no further than a second slide deck. Yet their fanboys get stuff to occupy their thoughts with between work meetings and boring weekends. Seriously, they are about to build a prototype 6th gen and they've worked their fanboys up with so much foreplay, they've drenched their pants twice already. Meanwhile, China has some other worldly exotic stuff from missiles to engines to craft and we get barely a few posts that quickly get deleted, poems, cryptic mixed messages and then years later they finally reveal the full thing and they've had it flying for so long it's old, old news.

PLA watching is only worth it because we've had so many fast paced developments along pretty much every field and technology branch. All the neat stuff revealed in the last few years are already dated by PLA's actual leading edge. It's still worth it because PLA and China moves so fast and so well. If we were Indian paced and with PLA/China's secrecy, half the forum would be dead from ripe old age before the first item gets their mid life upgrade cycle revealed.
 
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sunnymaxi

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I wish China would be as open as the US is. China has this habit of slowly dropping tiny hints in the background here and there over years and only many years after something is deemed a lesser security concern. If they were as open as the US, we'd have pretty much official confirmation just how far ahead of the US China already is today in aerospace in almost every tech branch except turbofans and civil aviation.
the amount of Material(CMC/Superalloy) related information have leaked/published in last couple of months shows China is pretty close to USA in military turbofan Engine at least in material science. the reliability and efficacy of our marine gas turbine fast approaching to GE products as per CSSC.

we are just moving too fast..
 
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