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4Tran

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i don't think what they're saying is weird. what is weird is the situation. the unfortunate reality is that it's not an airforce problem, but a national problem -- i think the cut and dry of it is that the us is actually out of capital. everything's too inflated here, there's no reason it should proverbially take a hundred dollars and a phd to turn around and wipe your ass but such seems to be the cost of the lies we tell each other to stay on top. perhaps someday historical texts will draw a parallel between the us and the spartans and their divestiture of menial work to the lowly helots...
back to the point though, for these officers it's not in their wheelhouse to speak outside of what the air force can or would like to do about it. it's possible that at this point an air force in no realistic form can be the correct tool for the job, where a us that must contest china under austerity may have to resort to more guerilla tactics of information and cultural warfare instead of kinetic interventions. what role does the air force have in that? in other words, asking the air force to come up with an airpower-centric solution might be something that resembles asking a t-rex what it needs to prosper after the asteroid has already landed. the air force officers certainly can't say a defeatist thing like "nah, we're fucked, i know none of these reforms will go through." they can only say what they think they would need for the job to get done.
and so having spoken out according to their conscience, they have washed their hands of any responsibility for the aftermath, which will be passed successively onwards towards congress and eventually down to the citizenry.
I get that it's outside of these guys' wheelhouse, but because they can't address the actual problem, the best they can ever offer is bad advice. And so all the USAF can do is to fight for more money and still fall deeper and deeper into the never-ending death spiral. It's sort of poetic that, in the land of free expression, nobody is willing to speak the truth.
 

Atomicfrog

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Their solution? More money, but over time so that this money can be absorbed properly.
Biggest problem is not the amount of money, is that money is absorbed by greedy industry mogul and politicians... sure that they want more money but it will not bring solutions.

They need the military aircraft industry to work for US airforces and not for their CEO wallet.
 

4Tran

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Biggest problem is not the amount of money, is that money is absorbed by greedy industry mogul and politicians... sure that they want more money but it will not bring solutions.

They need the military aircraft industry to work for US airforces and not for their CEO wallet.
If you were the CEO of Lockheed Martin or other defence contractor which would you choose?

A. Build a decent weapon and make a small amount of money.
B. Build a less effective weapon but make a lot more money.

Sure, if everyone were to choose B, then the American military will get worse and worse, but for Mr. CEO, that sure sounds like someone else's problem.
 

zyklon

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I thought it had to do with higher plastic content.

There was a time in the 1950s, if not arguably into the 1960s, when drunken American servicemen were raping South Korean women with impunity.

However, as discipline improved, USFK was effectively able to limit American servicemen to cohorting with professionals in lieu of violating civilians. Then as South Korea became wealthier on a per capita basis, South Koreans became increasingly resentful, if not intolerant of American privates and sergeants using and abusing local women. As a result, imports from the Philippines became the norm around major USFK installations.

Though TBF, South Korean prostitutes have also generally speaking gotten too expensive for the average American soldier or airman, which makes things extra suspicious when American servicemen patronize South Korean prostitutes.

Keep in mind that a disproportionate percentage of South Korean prostitutes, especially those catering to the lower end of the market, are or were originally ethnic Koreans from Jilin Province's Yanbian Korean Autonomous Prefecture (as well as refugees from North Korea) — at least in the 2000s and 2010s — which gave USFK even more reason to be paranoid about such vices.

Disclaimer: Not at all trying to go off topic here. Spies have been honey trapping soldiers for about as long as spying has been a profession.
 

Maikeru

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There was a time in the 1950s, if not arguably into the 1960s, when drunken American servicemen were raping South Korean women with impunity.

However, as discipline improved, USFK was effectively able to limit American servicemen to cohorting with professionals in lieu of violating civilians. Then as South Korea became wealthier on a per capita basis, South Koreans became increasingly resentful, if not intolerant of American privates and sergeants using and abusing local women. As a result, imports from the Philippines became the norm around major USFK installations.

Though TBF, South Korean prostitutes have also generally speaking gotten too expensive for the average American soldier or airman, which makes things extra suspicious when American servicemen patronize South Korean prostitutes.

Keep in mind that a disproportionate percentage of South Korean prostitutes, especially those catering to the lower end of the market, are or were originally ethnic Koreans from Jilin Province's Yanbian Korean Autonomous Prefecture (as well as refugees from North Korea) — at least in the 2000s and 2010s — which gave USFK even more reason to be paranoid about such vices.

Disclaimer: Not at all trying to go off topic here. Spies have been honey trapping soldiers for about as long as spying has been a profession.
Spying is the second oldest profession, and intimately connected with the first.
 

Lethe

Captain
One of the big challenges that the USAF faces is that it's too capable for proper reform and rethinking. Let me explain, we all can see that it has a ton of problems and that there aren't all that many good solutions out there to fix these problems. However, the USAF is still far and away stronger and more capable than any air force in the world, unless you count China. So in a conflict with anyone else, the USAF should still be able to win fairly easily despite all of its issues.

On the other hand, a war against China is a complete nightmare. The distances and basing options alone are enough to make it nigh impossible, and that doesn't even factor in things like China's stealth fighters, advanced AAMS, AWACS, and so on. It's probably a unsurmountable challenge unless some drastic changes are made to how the USAF operates, how it procures new equipment, how new gear is designed, and so on. It'll take a very long time to achieve, initial progress will be very slow, it'll face a lot of opposition from entrenched interests, and it'll probably lead to career suicide for whoever is in charge of implementing it. Given all of this, it's more likely for nothing to happen, and hope that the next guy fixes the tangle of problems. It looks like Allvin knew how the game is played and it's probably why he's going out on his own terms.

Finally, I wonder what plane the USAF is going to use to replace all its dinosaurs with. The F-35 isn't the all-in-one solution that they thought it was going to be. The Air Force sees the Block 4 variant as the minimum of what they want, but Lockheed Martin can't build that. It also isn't the kind of air superiority fighter that's needed either. I think getting some F-15EX is a good idea, but an overpriced 50-year old plane is obviously not a long term solution. Besides, Boeing can't build it in numbers. The F-47 is at least a decade away from being a practical platform, and may not be available in numbers for another decade. It's probably going to be super expenisive so there's no way that it can be a mainstay fighter. What's left, getting F-16Vs? The J-10 is superior to it, and the PLAAF doesn't even want it any more.


My main takeaway from this is that they say that the USAF needs to have 60 combat squadrons to match their current operations but they only have about 48. Their solution? More money, but over time so that this money can be absorbed properly. The problem is that this thinking is just weird. If you don't have the forces to match your current strategy, the only proper move is to modify your strategy to what your current forces can handle. Making pie in the sky plans that don't suit what you can do is just dumb.

Also, if the USAF's processes aren't performing as well as they need to, the conclusion isn't that the processes are perfect; they just need more funding. It should be that the Air Force needs to critically examine these processes and see where they're failing so they can find solutions.

If you take China out of the picture, the American project of "full spectrum dominance" looks to be travelling just about ok. There are significant issues to be sure, but also significant new opportunities to leverage American capital and technology to further extend and entrench American supremacy: chiefly low-cost space launch paradigms and the possibilities offered by the burgeoning "A.I." industry, particularly those that promise to render the firehose of data that is collected from the global connected world (already largely dominated by the United States) more intelligible and actionable. In the medium-term at least, only China presents as a major obstacle to America's pursuit of full spectrum dominance, with Russia and perhaps certain other nations playing far more limited negating roles, mostly within their own borders. But that's a little like saying that only major obstacle to the pursuit of immortality is death. What does the American quest for full spectrum dominance even mean if it doesn't apply to China?

Today's American leaders and thinkers have spent most of their professional careers in the post-Cold War era, where the relative power of the United States was at its peak and messianic visions abounded; the commitment to "full spectrum dominance" emerges from this era. So far as I can tell, the term "air dominance" (as distinct from now quaint notions of "air superiority") comes not out of the Cold War, not even the earlier years of the ATF program, but rather out of Desert Storm and the intoxicated visions for the future exercise of American technologically-infused hyperpower that followed. See the
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by then-Secretary of Defense William Perry. That level of ambition survives in today's "Next Generation Air Dominance" program.

This post-Cold War vision of leveraging incomparable American technology to create "full spectrum dominance", thereby providing America's undoubtedly wise and virtuous leaders with the prospect of achieving victory anywhere in the world without significant losses, is juxtaposed awkwardly with the increasingly undeniable and uncomfortable realities of China. The capability side of things is a mixed bag: making F-35 the centrepiece of an entire generation of airpower development has clearly not paid off to the extent that was envisioned (which is not to say that it has been a complete failure either); conversely, the B-21 Raider appears to be an unusually astute program that has clearly been tailored to China scenarios and embraced real compromises to deliver on what matters: signatures and range, and cost and therefore inventory numbers. The more fundamental issues are on the requirements side.

Full spectrum dominance relies on maintaining overwhelming qualitative or quantitative advantages (preferably both) across many axes of capability simultaneously, in any given theatre. This is increasingly untenable in relation to China and its near abroad, and no amount of acquisition reform or remaining incremental technological advantages are going to bridge that gap. The prospect of the United States greatly increasing its level of defense war spending is an interesting hypothetical, but shows no sign of happening and is probably politically untenable. History is replete with rulers who, intoxicated by their previous success, failed to recognise the point at which their reach exceeded their grasp, often with unpleasant results, and the Americans have for many generations now been high on their own supply. If one were to declare that, at some undefined point in the future, China must be capable of exercising "full spectrum dominance" in the Florida Strait on behalf of Cuba, that would rightly be dismissed as a complete fantasy, irrespective of how accomplished China's MIC may become. You wouldn't blame PLAN, PLAAF, CAC or whomever for failing to achieve that objective, but the folks above them who thought it at all feasible in the first place.

Today, the entrenched ideas and personages of the past sit awkwardly alongside more sporadic, incremental and begrudged acknowledgements of the present and accommodations to the future. In periods of transition, tension, dissonance and even incoherence are to be expected. The real question, one that confronts all societies, is the extent to which uncomfortable ideas and reforms can be embraced before capital-H History intervenes to force the issue. Recent
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that the United States may de-prioritise China in favour of reinforcing its dominion over the western hemisphere are therefore quite intriguing.
 
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Blitzo

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If you take China out of the picture, the American project of "full spectrum dominance" looks to be travelling just about ok. There are significant issues to be sure, but also significant new opportunities to leverage American capital and technology to further extend and entrench American supremacy: chiefly low-cost space launch paradigms and the possibilities offered by the burgeoning "A.I." industry, particularly those that promise to render the firehose of data that is collected from the global connected world (already largely dominated by the United States) more intelligible and actionable. In the medium-term at least, only China presents as a major obstacle to America's pursuit of full spectrum dominance, with Russia and perhaps certain other nations playing far more limited negating roles, mostly within their own borders. But that's a little like saying that only major obstacle to the pursuit of immortality is death. What does the American quest for full spectrum dominance even mean if it doesn't apply to China?

Today's American leaders and thinkers have spent most of their professional careers in the post-Cold War era, where the relative power of the United States was at its peak and messianic visions abounded; the commitment to "full spectrum dominance" emerges from this era. So far as I can tell, the term "air dominance" (as distinct from now quaint notions of "air superiority") comes not out of the Cold War, not even the earlier years of the ATF program, but rather out of Desert Storm and the intoxicated visions for the future exercise of American technologically-infused hyperpower that followed. See the
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by then-Secretary of Defense William Perry. That level of ambition survives in today's "Next Generation Air Dominance" program.

This post-Cold War vision of leveraging incomparable American technology to create "full spectrum dominance", thereby providing America's undoubtedly wise and virtuous leaders with the prospect of achieving victory anywhere in the world without significant losses, is juxtaposed awkwardly with the increasingly undeniable and uncomfortable realities of China. The capability side of things is a mixed bag: making F-35 the centrepiece of an entire generation of airpower development has clearly not paid off to the extent that was envisioned (which is not to say that it has been a complete failure either); conversely, the B-21 Raider appears to be an unusually astute program that has clearly been tailored to China scenarios and embraced real compromises to deliver on what matters: signatures and range, and cost and therefore inventory numbers. The more fundamental issues are on the requirements side.

Full spectrum dominance relies on maintaining overwhelming qualitative or quantitative advantages (preferably both) across many axes of capability simultaneously, in any given theatre. This is increasingly untenable in relation to China and its near abroad, and no amount of acquisition reform or remaining incremental technological advantages are going to bridge that gap. The prospect of the United States greatly increasing its level of defense war spending is an interesting hypothetical, but shows no sign of happening and is probably politically untenable. History is replete with rulers who, intoxicated by their previous success, failed to recognise the point at which their reach exceeded their grasp, often with unpleasant results, and the Americans have for many generations now been high on their own supply. If one were to declare that, at some undefined point in the future, China must be capable of exercising "full spectrum dominance" in the Florida Strait on behalf of Cuba, that would rightly be dismissed as a complete fantasy, irrespective of how accomplished China's MIC may become. You wouldn't blame PLAN, PLAAF, CAC or whomever for failing to achieve that objective, but the folks above them who thought it at all feasible in the first place.

Today, the entrenched ideas and personages of the past sit awkwardly alongside more sporadic, incremental and begrudged acknowledgements of the present and accommodations to the future. In periods of transition, tension, dissonance and even incoherence are to be expected. The real question, one that confronts all societies, is the extent to which uncomfortable ideas and reforms can be embraced before capital-H History intervenes to force the issue. Recent
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that the United States may de-prioritise China in favour of reinforcing its dominion over the western hemisphere are therefore quite intriguing.

Your first sentence is very accurate imo, especially the "if you take China out of the picture" part.

Without the PLA being on the trajectory that it is, the US actually has massive capability and technological overmatch over all of its other adversaries.


If the PLA's capability growth was more in line with some 2000s era unsaid projections of capability growth, then all US programs (despite their current setbacks) today would be roaring unmitigated successes; F-35, F-22, Virginia.

Say, if the PLAAF only ever procured 150x J-20s as their only 5th generation lifetime fleet with only 4th gen and 3rd fighters and a half dozen AEWC, and if the PLAN only had 6x 052Ds as their modern frontline destroyers supported by maybe a dozen 054As as modern frigates and obsolescent older destroyers and frigates... such a composition/baseline force would be easily dealt with by current US air, naval and missile forces.

Essentially, if the PLA's modernization programs all went the way that Russia's programs did, the US would be sitting fairly pretty.
 

4Tran

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If you take China out of the picture, the American project of "full spectrum dominance" looks to be travelling just about ok. There are significant issues to be sure, but also significant new opportunities to leverage American capital and technology to further extend and entrench American supremacy: chiefly low-cost space launch paradigms and the possibilities offered by the burgeoning "A.I." industry, particularly those that promise to render the firehose of data that is collected from the global connected world (already largely dominated by the United States) more intelligible and actionable. In the medium-term at least, only China presents as a major obstacle to America's pursuit of full spectrum dominance, with Russia and perhaps certain other nations playing far more limited negating roles, mostly within their own borders. But that's a little like saying that only major obstacle to the pursuit of immortality is death. What does the American quest for full spectrum dominance even mean if it doesn't apply to China?
It's basically a double whammy. Outside of China, the American military is so dominant that its numerous failings won't affect their ability to defeat everyone else. But against China, these inabilities are devastating. So there's enough threat out there to expose all of the problems of the American military but not enough to force them to change anything other than their messaging.

Full spectrum dominance relies on maintaining overwhelming qualitative or quantitative advantages (preferably both) across many axes of capability simultaneously, in any given theatre. This is increasingly untenable in relation to China and its near abroad, and no amount of acquisition reform or remaining incremental technological advantages are going to bridge that gap. The prospect of the United States greatly increasing its level of defense war spending is an interesting hypothetical, but shows no sign of happening and is probably politically untenable. History is replete with rulers who, intoxicated by their previous success, failed to recognise the point at which their reach exceeded their grasp, often with unpleasant results, and the Americans have for many generations now been high on their own supply. If one were to declare that, at some undefined point in the future, China must be capable of exercising "full spectrum dominance" in the Florida Strait on behalf of Cuba, that would rightly be dismissed as a complete fantasy, irrespective of how accomplished China's MIC may become. You wouldn't blame PLAN, PLAAF, CAC or whomever for failing to achieve that objective, but the folks above them who thought it at all feasible in the first place.
I think it's perfectly reasonable to blame the American branches for how things have played out. Most of the problems in the military come from corruption and the encouragement of bad practices. Look at the Navy's inability to design any new ships; you can blame the American government all you want, but at the end of the day, it's the fault of the admirals in charge of the designs. Moreover, the other elephant in the room is that there are plenty of officers in the US military who can see the writing on the wall but who are simply unwilling to say anything about it.
 
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