Shenyang next gen combat aircraft thread

MC530

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Basically, I'm responding to this:
If it is put into use in 2035 (small batch production), then the production ratio of different types of fighters can be adjusted starting in 2030, and finally the fourth-generation fighters can be phased out in continuous production in 2040.

I think this is the conclusion I have drawn.

The term "nonperforming asset" may be too radical.

If the Chinese Navy's adversaries were desert shepherds, then the J-15's advanced nature wouldn't matter. After all, the improved J-15T firing the PL-15 missile would be more than sufficient to counter the FA-18 or Rafale.
However, if a fourth-generation carrier-based fighter jet, poised to face the F-35, were to continue mass production, it would be a necessary evil and not a target for the Navy. Early J-15 models were equipped with a mechanically scanned radar and carried PL-8 and PL-12 missiles. Their primary purpose was to provide the Navy with training on aircraft carrier operations and carrier-based aircraft coordination.

The J-15T and its accompanying active phased array radar are expected to be unveiled around 2020, coinciding with the CV-18 construction schedule. The Navy plans to proceed at its own pace and accept the results of acquiring a batch of 4.5-generation heavy carrier-based fighter jets.
The Chinese Navy needs to counter the larger number of US Navy aircraft carriers with a smaller number of aircraft carriers. The J-15 series is clearly not up to par.
Even the J-35: if we remember the meme on this forum: bigger radar, higher power;
then the J-35 doesn't satisfy this idea; it can only be considered adequate.
Everything depends on the military's cost-effectiveness plan. Limited military spending will serve appropriate strategic goals.
 

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If it is put into use in 2035 (small batch production), then the production ratio of different types of fighters can be adjusted starting in 2030, and finally the fourth-generation fighters can be phased out in continuous production in 2040.

I think this is the conclusion I have drawn.

The term "nonperforming asset" may be too radical.

If the Chinese Navy's adversaries were desert shepherds, then the J-15's advanced nature wouldn't matter. After all, the improved J-15T firing the PL-15 missile would be more than sufficient to counter the FA-18 or Rafale.
However, if a fourth-generation carrier-based fighter jet, poised to face the F-35, were to continue mass production, it would be a necessary evil and not a target for the Navy. Early J-15 models were equipped with a mechanically scanned radar and carried PL-8 and PL-12 missiles. Their primary purpose was to provide the Navy with training on aircraft carrier operations and carrier-based aircraft coordination.

The J-15T and its accompanying active phased array radar are expected to be unveiled around 2020, coinciding with the CV-18 construction schedule. The Navy plans to proceed at its own pace and accept the results of acquiring a batch of 4.5-generation heavy carrier-based fighter jets.
The Chinese Navy needs to counter the larger number of US Navy aircraft carriers with a smaller number of aircraft carriers. The J-15 series is clearly not up to par.
Even the J-35: if we remember the meme on this forum: bigger radar, higher power;
then the J-35 doesn't satisfy this idea; it can only be considered adequate.
Everything depends on the military's cost-effectiveness plan. Limited military spending will serve appropriate strategic goals.


Can we stick to the facts and the topic please!?? ... there is too much of speculative and unconfirmed content even more so regarding J-15, J-35 and naval use! Leave it!
 

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It has drag rudders so I'm pretty sure this is not J-XDS.

It doesn't look like drag rudders/split rudders to me, rather it looks just like the outermost flaperons are in a slight upwards deployed position.

If they were drag rudders we'd see a symmetrical ventral deployment as well.

OTOH, we know J-XDS has trailing edge flaperons, with a set that corresponds to that specific image.

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That said I do agree that the image is at angle and of a quality that we technically cannot rule out the possibility of it being some other generic flying wing airframe.

But if the original poster who took the image is able to identify it as J-XDS I also see nothing in the image to make me exclude the possibility.
 

GTI

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It doesn't look like drag rudders/split rudders to me, rather it looks just like the outermost flaperons are in a slight upwards deployed position.

If they were drag rudders we'd see a symmetrical ventral deployment as well.
Not to be pedantic, but we wouldn’t necessarily expect to see ventral deployment. Split control surfaces like that can be used asymmetrically for several purposes — spoilers, drag rudders, flaps etc.
 

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Not to be pedantic, but we wouldn’t necessarily expect to see ventral deployment. Split control surfaces like that can be used asymmetrically for several purposes — spoilers, drag rudders, flaps etc.

Right, but then why would one call it split rudders without visual proof of it, when the much simpler answer is that what we are seeing are just regular old flaperons being deployed?

It's like suggesting that any aircraft with a Al-31 taken from a blurry distance has a TVC nozzle even if we do not see a TVC nozzle in action, and then using that as a basis to suggest "it could be TVC, because TVC are not always employed".

A crude analogy, but it serves the point.

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As for the image itself, again I have no particular stance as to whether it may or may not be J-XDS, but from a control surface and proportions pov, with that image itself I can't really exclude J-XDS as a leading contender.

Control surface placement, illustrated roughly:

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ougoah

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The new photo definitely shows one of the CCAs or whatever it is, It is not the J-50 aka J-XDS.

If you look at the wingtip section, at no angle of J-50's wingtip movement can you produce the distinctly "sharp" or tapering wingtip that appears on the craft in the photo. Not only this, both sides of the wingtips are identical. No detection of moving wingtip in the new photo. If it is showing a J-50 in the neutral position, how can we explain the tapering wingtip when J-50 clearly has longitudinally straight wingtips?

The yellow circled bits dont align no matter how you assess it.
 
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