PLA Next Generation Main Battle Tank

Tomboy

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Sounds pretty unlikely and even if true it would have had even better penetration if they kept the velocity and ammunition shape the same while maintaining the 125mm calibre. Not to mention the inability to fire ATGMs as well as the massive decrease in the power of the HE-rounds. Although again I must caution that this is only true if the 125mm is being abandoned for MBTs.
Chinese 105mm have gun launched AGTMs, as it was the case with ZTQ-15. It isn't that hard to increase the penetration of the 105 considering it uses single piece ammo which allows for much longer rods than two-piece 125mm gun. The only real issue with 105mm is inadequate HE shells due to limited caliber.
 

Amistrophy

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Chinese 105mm have gun launched AGTMs, as it was the case with ZTQ-15. It isn't that hard to increase the penetration of the 105 considering it uses single piece ammo which allows for much longer rods than two-piece 125mm gun. The only real issue with 105mm is inadequate HE shells due to limited caliber.
wonder if you can compensate for shell caliber just by making the HE charge… longer, instead of wider.
 

ismellcopium

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Self-explanatory.

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The only thought I have when looking at these new AFVs is someone at Norinco browsed r/ImaginaryFutureWar and decided to make it all reality.
 

qwerty3173

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wonder if you can compensate for shell caliber just by making the HE charge… longer, instead of wider.
Totally possible if it's using a rifled barrel. Smooth bore HE are limited by shell aerodynamic stability issues much more than their rifled counterparts. You just have to use a brand new designed round. Actually a new 105mm HE round weighting a staggering 26kg is already developed and may already be in use. That shell mass is sufficient to fit an explosive charge even greater than current 125mm rounds.
 

Tomboy

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wonder if you can compensate for shell caliber just by making the HE charge… longer, instead of wider.
There is going to be stability issues with making a longer traditional shell, but I guess you could fire what basically is an unguided HE fin stabilized rockets out of the barrel like the Soviet "Bur" 125mm rockets from the Object 775. Or maybe unusually long fin stabilized HE shells. But modern HE-FS are already pretty long ngl. Below is 3OF26 HE-FS shell for the 125mm.
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Totally possible if it's using a rifled barrel. Smooth bore HE are limited by shell aerodynamic stability issues much more than their rifled counterparts. You just have to use a brand new designed round. Actually a new 105mm HE round weighting a staggering 26kg is already developed and may already be in use. That shell mass is sufficient to fit an explosive charge even greater than current 125mm rounds.
Spin stabilized projectiles start to suffer stability issue once L/W ratio gets too large which is why APFSDS projectiles are fin stabilized instead of spin stabilized. While 26kg is good for 105mm it falls behind the 33kg weight for 125mm HE shells like the famous 3OF26 and hence likely will have less charge, and even if you can make the wall ultra thin to somehow fit the same amount of charge as a 125mm shell you'll basically now get 0 fragmentation because your shell wall is ultra thin thus kinda of defeats the purpose of HE-FRAG.
 

another505

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IF this is a medium tank that some members here claim.... what is the shift in doctrine to have a medium tank now? People say it is to replace the ZTZ-96 but the ZTZ 96 is always a MBT but an older generation that is upgraded heavily to be a cheaper alternative than 99A. Not a medium tank.

I dont see in which theater/terrain will this cover when ZTQ-15 covers the jungles and mountains, and 99a for plains.

Or alternatively, this is still a MBT in weight and protection, and the firepower is sufficient to handle any current generation of MBT. ( I am not holding my breath for challenger 3 with british army's procurement, and USA next mbt with when they are addicted to Abrams)
 
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