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valysre

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On the topic of the Indian's assumptions regarding PL-15 range, I've seen at least one Indian media outlet report the reported range of the PL-15 as 300 km.
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was published before the events of May, in March.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1953126122301866103

You know how when you read the chronicles of Tang, or of the South-North period, or the Five Dynasties, Ten Kingdoms period, you sometimes see a trend of several really bad emperors in direct succession, and then the immediate collapse of an otherwise healthy contender for the unification of China? I hope this image happens. Then in a century or so, future generations will be able to enjoy reading the sagas of Trump the Terrible, Vance the Vain, Rubio the Re**rd, and Hegseth the Heinous. You thought Yang Guang was bad? Let's just see what Hegseth can do. Maybe he'll actually build a lake of wine.
 
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Perhaps 150km is the max range against maneuvering targets, but due to IAF not detecting the PL-15s, kills were achieved at a range of 200km.
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"Range" is important but also kind of meaningless.

You also need to account for target vector, altitude and speed.
Your range is going to increase greatly IF your launch platform is at Mach 1.5 at 30k ft while the target is heading blindly and directly towards you at Mach 1.5 at 3,000 ft.
OTOH, if your launch platform is subsonic at 5k feet trying to engage a SR-71 heading away from you at Mach 3+ at 100k feet. I'm afraid your range ring will shrink dramatically.

You cannot infer the max "Range" of the PL-15 without knowing the engagement parameters.
As such, Max Range figures are also kinda meaningless unless they are all normalised to same parameters (which we know is not the case).
 
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Wang Yi to visit India this month, Modi to travel to China, Putin comes in later this year​

Prime Minister Narendra Modi is set to travel to Tianjin in China this month for the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation summit, his first trip to the country since 2018 where he will be joined by Chinese President Xi Jinping and Russian President Vladimir Putin among others, ThePrint has learnt. The SCO Summit will be held 31 August to 1 September.

While admitting that bilateral meetings on the sidelines of the SCO summit are being planned, sources refused to get into details.

It is also learnt that Modi could first visit Japan on 30 August before heading to China.

Ahead of the visit, Member of Political Bureau of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China (CPC) and Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi is set to travel to India to hold talks with National Security Adviser Ajit Doval on the larger border issue between the two countries on 18 August.

Though both visits have not been formally announced, sources said that they are on.

Interestingly, Doval is currently in Russia to hold his annual meeting with counterpart Sergei Shoigu to set the stage for Putin’s long-pending trip to India which has been delayed ever since the Ukraine conflict started.

Defence Minister Rajnath Singh and External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar had also attended the SCO meetings held earlier this year.

Asked if all these visits and meetings are a signal to the US whose President Donald Trump has threatened to sanction India and raised tariffs for oil deals with Russia, sources explained that these are all scheduled visits.

Modi’s visit to China and a likely bilateral with Xi comes after relations between both countries stabilised gradually after the May 2020 intrusion by Chinese troops in Ladakh, which eventually led to the Galwan clash that killed 20 Indian soldiers and several on the Chinese side. China has officially claimed four deaths on their side.

Since then, both sides have held several rounds of talks at political, military and diplomatic levels.

While both countries have managed to disengage from a face-off situation over this period at all locations, the larger question of de-escalation and restarting of regular patrols remain.

After over four years of tensions, Modi and Xi met on the sidelines of the 16th BRICS Summit at Kazan on 23 October 2024.

Just ahead of the meeting then, India and China had agreed to restart patrols in the Depsang area of Eastern Ladakh.

Since then, rapid normalisation has taken place which includes opening up of visas for the Chinese by India and the restart of the Kailash Mansarovar yatra by China.

China is aiming to restart direct air travel from India for both Indian and Chinese airlines, which India currently has not allowed.
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Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi is set to travel to India to hold talks with National Security Adviser Ajit Doval on the larger border issue between the two countries on 18 August.
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Border Discussions.
 
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Border Discussions.
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China would love to finally settle the India (and Bhutan) border. But the only deal they're willing to accept is recognition of Aksai Chin for Arunachal Pradesh. India, or more accurately Modi, is in no position to accept such a deal. Other negotiation points like military infrastructure buildup on the border and the Medog dam will go nowhere as they're part of China's broader plan to tie Tibet closer to the rest of China.

The only point that I see any possible movement on is that India might move back on the status quo on the Indus Waters Treaty but I don't see China offering anything of significance for it.
 
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Things are moving very quick
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'India’s sovereignty is non-negotiable': China backs Delhi as Trump threatens tariff hike​

Yu Jing, spokesperson for the Chinese embassy in New Delhi, cited the Hindu editorial on X, quoting its declaration that India’s “foreign policy choices cannot be manipulated by other countries, no matter how significant their own ties with India are.” The move signals rare diplomatic alignment between Beijing and New Delhi at a time when both are grappling with rising U.S. trade hostility.
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tamsen_ikard

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Bruh said china radars are a few years behind usa and j16 can't match f15ex ground ammunition and said although j16 use a more advanced radar it's probably doesn't match f15ex I can't man
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That's why I said before in the parade thread that westoids will never accept China is getting ahead in any military fields. They will find excuses to cope. Even if Chinese J-10 from Pakistan shoots down an F-35 in the future, they will find excuses to say it has nothing to do with the tech.
 
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That's why I said before in the parade thread that westoids will never accept China is getting ahead in any military fields. They will find excuses to cope. Even if Chinese J-10 from Pakistan shoots down an F-35 in the future, they will find excuses to say it has nothing to do with the tech.
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To me, this is more like a racial war. The White will never accept a non-White to become a superpower. US and Europe dont want India too as we recently saw how US treated India.

Given the history, all empires goes down. The White has ruled the 20th century for the most part. The 21th century will be non-white.
 
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