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[supersnoop]

that’s somewhat true but subways can work without electricity many feature backup power especially the Taipei MRT so they can run for a few hours depending on what was hit and the amount of damage

Subways cannot work without electricity…
They might have backup power, backup power that most likely runs on diesel generators. Are you going to waste fuel on a fixed line that will run for a few hours? If it can run for a few hours only, in terms of military defense, it might as well be zero.

Scene at a field memorial…
“Comrades, we are sorry that you fell in combat when the communist drone annihilated your position. We put forth our best effort to get to you with stingers, but the subway ran out of power. President of the Republic of Taiwan insisted we use the diesel for the subway instead of jeeps…”

This is political. The DPP will never trust the ROCA because they were subject to political persecution by it when it was the armed branch of the KMT. Some scars run too deep.

Yes, all well detailed here before. Lawyers and artists who are sure they will inspire others to fight…

Well they got 3 million "Kuma Army", don't they?

The “Lets hope PLA uses airsoft too” army

 

[PLAwatcher12]

Vietnam was 99% conventional. The guerilla part was just a sideshow.

That is true but later on in the war it did switch to more guerilla warfare but my overall point was Taiwan won’t be doing guerilla warfare their a centralized military not a decentralized one.

Subways cannot work without electricity…
They might have backup power, backup power that most likely runs on diesel generators. Are you going to waste fuel on a fixed line that will run for a few hours? If it can run for a few hours only, in terms of military defense, it might as well be zero.

Scene at a field memorial…
“Comrades, we are sorry that you fell in combat when the communist drone annihilated your position. We put forth our best effort to get to you with stingers, but the subway ran out of power. President of the Republic of Taiwan insisted we use the diesel for the subway instead of jeeps…”


Yes, all well detailed here before. Lawyers and artists who are sure they will inspire others to fight…


The “Lets hope PLA uses airsoft too” army

i can’t answer that because im not in the Taiwan military but my point was they can run without electricity but only for a few hours it is possible they would if completely necessary but it’s really unlikely.

 

[supersnoop]

i can’t answer that because im not in the Taiwan military but my point was they can run without electricity but only for a few hours it is possible they would if completely necessary but it’s really unlikely.

But your original point was that these exercises show the things they are trying to concentrate on. If they are trying to concentrate on Urban defense centered around riding the subway, then it's a failure.

I know this isn't the only thing in the exercise, but googling "Taiwan subway military exercise" and you will get plenty of articles from major news outlets as if this is some genius move (TWZ included, electricity was only mentioned in the last quarter of the article)

 

[Sinnavuuty]

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"Han Kuang-41": Simulating American Aid to Taiwan in a Military Conflict

On July 16, the landing dock transport Xuhai* (LSD-193) of the 151st Fleet of the Taiwanese Navy entered the port of Hualien in the east of the island. But this time, it played the role of not an ordinary combat vessel, but... an American military transport with important cargo and military aid in the midst of a hypothetical conflict in the Taiwan Strait.

According to the scenario, the US transport ship, accompanied by an aircraft carrier strike group, enters the air defense zone of Taiwan, and then, under the protection of the island's Air Force and Navy, docks at the port of Hualien. At this point, the port is not just a logistics hub, but an important "bridge between the island and its key ally."

The maneuvers involved the prompt unloading of ammunition, food, and fuel. In total, the operation took about six hours. Two Taiwanese patrol ships of the Tuojiang class, as well as air defense units and a mechanized army battalion, were responsible for protecting the airspace and the sea perimeter.

Why Hualien?

The location of the simulation was not chosen by chance. The east coast of Taiwan, unlike the densely populated west coast, faces the Pacific Ocean and is protected by the Central Mountain Range. In the event of a PLA offensive, Hualien and other eastern ports are considered potential supply points, less susceptible to missile strikes or landing operations.

As noted by officials of the Taiwanese Ministry of Defense, future scenarios for assistance from the United States may involve not only the arrival of warships, but also the use of civilian transport ships under the protection of allied aviation and navy.

Strategic Signal to China

Although the exercises were internal and not announced publicly, their message is clear: in the event of a real conflict, Taiwan is counting not only on its own forces, but also on the rapid deployment of assistance from its main strategic partner, the United States. Developing logistics routes, including the use of eastern ports and civilian fleets, is a key element of the defensive strategy.

* former Pensacola (LSD-38) in the US Navy.

During the exercise, the ROCN simulated the arrival of a US military supply ship at the Pacific coast port of Hualien.

The exercise simulated the approach of a US aircraft carrier group to the east coast of Taiwan, with the landing ship entering Hualien Harbor under the protection of the Navy and Air Force.

 

[vincent]

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During the exercise, the ROCN simulated the arrival of a US military supply ship at the Pacific coast port of Hualien.

The exercise simulated the approach of a US aircraft carrier group to the east coast of Taiwan, with the landing ship entering Hualien Harbor under the protection of the Navy and Air Force.

Like i said before, the whole thing is a show to convince the populace if they hold on long enough, help from the US will arrive.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

US GDP per capita is sky rocketing because of massive inflation and bubble economy due to over investment on US tech companies due to AI hype.

If you look at all the global facing business that sell to the outside world, they are declining due to high cost and loss of marketshare. Boeing is losing to Airbus, US car companies are pretty much dead outside of US.

This is just beginning. The more China gains more competitiveness it will start to eat away more and more market share. That will cause layoffs, recession and economic decline.

but that GDP per capita is treated as if it was real money by US allies. US has proven it can force its vassals and west worshippers to accept USD as more valuable than gold even when its being printed like paper.

The US believes in "will to power" (der Wille zur Macht) from Friedrich Nietzsche. That means that power comes solely from actuating your beliefs into the world. If they don't think it's true, then it isn't true. You see that alot, and it is the basis of western winnology.

In fact they're doing it now, successfully too. They can just say "I don't believe Chinese cars are competitive" and just ban them. As to why you need to ban uncompetitive cars, that's never asked and if so, has 1 million answers. And that's what they did. It is only when the advantage is so overwhelming that they can't help but accept it that they will begrudgingly admit it.

I don't think they'll let China develop a high GDP per capita without sanctions and maybe even kinetic strikes if they think they can get away with it, which is why they've been making what otherwise would look like insane decisions.

I think that's OK. Acceptance makes facing the inevitable challenge easier as it burns away all illusions and fantasy.

 

[Acauntis]

What you said is most likely the case, but the planning should be ob the side of caution.

I used to think Ukrainians are also western worshipping c*cks who will flee when actual battle starts. But look what happened. They have become so deluded and hatred for Russia has implanted in their hearts so much that they are willing to do so much sacrifice just to be part of the west.

Look at hong kongers giving up lucrative careers back home to work as burger flippers in UK for no reason other than politics.

I don't think DPP diehards will give up that easily. For them, US is heaven and China is hell. Plus they have been fed propaganda that all they have to do is hold on just a bit longer and US will rescue them. This hope will sustain their fight for long periods.

Ukrainians still have hope that just a little bit more time and Nato will join in the fighting.

So, I think China needs to think about the worst case which is urban guerilla fighting in Taiwan.

Prior to the Russo-Ukrainian War Ukraine was in a mini-civil war with two eastern breakaway states, so their armed forces and by extension people would've developed some experience in combat. Also important mention is that the standard of living in Ukraine is lower compared to Taiwan, whose population has become so accustomed to modern comforts.

Also giving up an office job to become a burger flipper in the UK is not the same as bleeding out in the mountainous jungles of central Taiwan. Protesting against the PRC and fighting in the mountains are two very different things. The average Taiwanese male wants to drink boba and spend money on gacha, not die needlessly to PLA or PAP. Taiwan's independence is reliant on how willing ROCAF is to fight to the end especially in a scenario if the DPP leadership decides board on the first plane to Tokyo, which is part of the rumors.

I agree that there is a population of your mentioned diehards who have true fighting spirit, but they are ultimately a minority in the grand scheme of things. But the PLA/PAP also has experience in suppressing an insurgency (see Xinjiang).

 

[PLAwatcher12]

But your original point was that these exercises show the things they are trying to concentrate on. If they are trying to concentrate on Urban defense centered around riding the subway, then it's a failure.

I know this isn't the only thing in the exercise, but googling "Taiwan subway military exercise" and you will get plenty of articles from major news outlets as if this is some genius move (TWZ included, electricity was only mentioned in the last quarter of the article)

I did say earlier I’m sure most shown to the media are for propaganda, atleast I think I did, but yes some are what they do try to concentrate on, the subway one seems more for propaganda rather than what they would actually do

 

[siegecrossbow]

I am baffled by the discussions about guerilla warfare when 1) it is infeasible on an island the size of Taiwan and 2) DPP decision makers hinges their entire defense plan on aid from U.S./Japan, which implies that they are not planning for guerilla warfare.

 

[4Tran]

I did say earlier I’m sure most shown to the media are for propaganda, atleast I think I did, but yes some are what they do try to concentrate on, the subway one seems more for propaganda rather than what they would actually do

The entire urban combat part of the exercise is pure propaganda. Taiwan is fully aware that by the time there's fighting in the streets of Taipei, China has already won. Moreover, if they were serious about this kind of combat, then they'd be putting a lot more effort into training into urban fighting and there'd be far more exercises.

I will say though, that if it wasn't propaganda, all of the accidents and other inelegant shows of ROCA capability would actually be good for them. This kind of thing is bound to happen in wartime, so it's much better to use exercises to reveal as many weaknesses as possible so that they'd be able to come up with solutions for the real thing.

I am baffled by the discussions about guerilla warfare when 1) it is infeasible on an island the size of Taiwan and 2) DPP decision makers hinges their entire defense plan on aid from U.S./Japan, which implies that they are not planning for guerilla warfare.

It makes a lot more sense once you figure out who's discussing guerilla warfare. The DPP wouldn't do so because the government will have fallen by the time they have to break out the guerillas so it means they've failed to protect Taiwan. The Americans won't do so because it would mean that they're unable to act fast enough to save Taiwan. So who does that leave? Just the military enthusiasts who want to "prove" that China can't win in Taiwan. If you pay attention, these are the same people who will say that losing Taiwan won't matter because Taiwan and the US have plans in place to blow up all of TSMC's fabs.