2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

RottenPanzer

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the US/Israel are using mainly 5th gen fighters and bombers against Iran.
4th gen fighters like the J-10 would be useless and a waste of money. money which could be used to buy better airdefence or produce more missiles.
the only aircraft worth buying would be the J-35. however the J-35 is still in it's infancy production wise (PLAAF & PLAN will be top priority for J-35 acquistion) and will take several years to be ready for export to Iran while the need for more weaponry is urgent. on top of that even if Iran accumulates enough money to buy it it is highly unlikely China will sell it in order not to piss off the GCC/US/Israel.

Hence why i said setting up production line and transfer of technology, this would be a huge breakthrough for Iran's own capability.

Nah, Iran came out on top.
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. We also know that Iran now kicked out nuclear watchdogs and now can build a nuke if they wanted.

$3 billion is barely a blip in the overall GDP of a middle eastern superpower.
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GiantCanofWater

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The question is, would China willing for an eventual licensing production and transfer of technology of its J-10 to Iran?

Buying only the aircrafts without its more manufacturing structure wouldn't be enough for Iran wise.
Wouldn't sending anything to Iran be equivalent to sending those products to Israel and the US? Mossad has infested the country and there's defectors everywhere. Iran is just too unstable for any meaningful investment to me.
 

tamsen_ikard

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Hence why i said setting up production line and transfer of technology, this would be a huge breakthrough for Iran's own capability.



$3 billion is barely a blip in the overall GDP of a middle eastern superpower.
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I 100% doubt its $3 billion. More like 30 billion considering the amount of damage that has been shown and what is not shown.

Even the cost of all the interceptors will be more than 5 billion.
 

Randomuser

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I dunno what makes Iran so boastful and tone deaf like India.

I can't believe its Trump of all people who's giving them a face saving way of getting it out. And instead of taking it and exiting quietly, they decide to be loud mouthed again. Why aren't they loud mouthed when its actually needed during the war?

Its not a matter of pride but a matter of playing it smart.
 

tamsen_ikard

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I dunno what makes Iran so boastful and tone deaf like India.

I can't believe its Trump of all people who's giving them a face saving way of getting it out. And instead of taking it and exiting quietly, they decide to be loud mouthed again. Why aren't they loud mouthed when its actually needed during the war?

Its not a matter of pride but a matter of playing it smart.
No self-respecting country will ever bow down after getting bombed without warning, top leaders getting killed. I don't know what kind of world you live in if you think any country will bow down to their enemy who just bombed you.

Iran is doing exactly what they should be doing, which is projecting strength. Not projecting weakness. Cause that means it is justified to Bomb a country like Iran and expect to succeed. Why should they give their enemy satisfaction? What has happened exactly? Is the world falling apart on Iran? Are they getting invaded? Are they losing their country.

Nothing happened that remotely makes it acceptable for Iran to bow down to someone like Trump.
 

Randomuser

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No self-respecting country will ever bow down after getting bombed without warning, top leaders getting killed. I don't know what kind of world you live in if you think any country will bow down to their enemy who just bombed you.

Iran is doing exactly what they should be doing, which is projecting strength. Not projecting weakness. Cause that means it is justified to Bomb a country like Iran and expect to succeed. Why should they give their enemy satisfaction? What has happened exactly? Is the world falling apart on Iran? Are they getting invaded? Are they losing their country.

Nothing happened that remotely makes it acceptable for Iran to bow down to someone like Trump.
Respect is earnt through strength and competency. Not being loud mouthed. You make people respect you by showing them through competency not boasting.
 

tamsen_ikard

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Respect is earnt through strength. Not being loud mouthed. You make people respect you by showing them through competency not boasting.
Iran has shown competency by devestating Israel, a country 1500 KM away from them. It shows they are the top country in the middle-east. No one can challenge Iran in the middle-east at the moment. Gulf Arabs, Turkey, pretty much everyone will be pulverized by Iranian missiles.

Iran also didn't show their full strength cause it was not existential for them. Their full strength is the devestation of all oil facilities in the middle-east, Hormuz mined, US bases destroyed.

You should pay attention to what happened in the war. It was a loss for US and Israel.
 

enroger

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Wouldn't sending anything to Iran be equivalent to sending those products to Israel and the US? Mossad has infested the country and there's defectors everywhere. Iran is just too unstable for any meaningful investment to me.

This. People saying Iran should buy this and that, the question should be if China is even willing to sell this and that. IMO China's willingness hinges on two things:

1, Iran is politically and ideologically stable, no foreign policy swing every few years.

2, Iran can prove convincingly they are able to deal with Israeli infiltration. Not getting their guys assassinated for a couple of years for a start.

Both are pretty tall order for Iran, before Iran can achieve it China will keep the tech exchange at low enough level where it is ok to leak to Mossad or CIA
 

tamsen_ikard

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This. People saying Iran should buy this and that, the question should be if China is even willing to sell this and that. IMO China's willingness hinges on two things:

1, Iran is politically and ideologically stable, no foreign policy swing every few years.

2, Iran can prove convincingly they are able to deal with Israeli infiltration. Not getting their guys assassinated for a couple of years for a start.

Both are pretty tall order for Iran, before Iran can achieve it China will keep the tech exchange at low enough level where it is ok to leak to Mossad or CIA
I think China should still sell to Iran, atleast Pakistan level tech like J-10c, if Iran makes major strategic concessions to China like CPEC. Giving major oil/gas fields to China, giving military bases to China that kind of thing.

Pakistan is also a heavy US ally. I think China knows full well that Chinese tech will leak to US from Pakistan. But China still sells to Pakistan because of its own strategic advantage which is to counter India.

China doesn't have such a strategic benefit with Iran at the moment. But that kind of benefit can be gained if China makes Iran its main hub of operations. If they can have bases and mining rights inside Iran, then it makes sense to prop it up.
 
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