China demographics thread.

jx191

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I'm not sure if this has been touched upon before, but I was speaking to a good friend of mine who taught English in China up till recently and he had some very interesting things to say about the Chinese birth rate situation.

From his experience, China under Xi Jinping is fostering the next generation of China to be a lot more patriotic and pro-natal than their predecessors. Things like "patriotic education" and "Xi Jinping Thought" are mandatory in schools and compared to the previous generation who grew up during the 2000s and early 2010s, the current generation of children in China are going to turn out far more patriotic than the current cohort of adults in China of childbearing age, and therefore have strongly pro-natal attitudes by the time they grow up.

It's very hard to change attitudes for people who have already grown up which is why governments have to rely on economic incentives, China included, but the more I look into it, the more I agree with my friend's observations. Children's way of thinking is very malleable and a lot of the patriotic education is targeted towards younger students who weren't even alive before Xi Jinping rose to power.

China under Xi is definitely different to the China of 10-20 years ago, and it's impossible to deny that there is a lot more emphasis on patriotism, including for children and their education. The only other discussions I've seen on this topic are from Chinese social media and they all seem to agree with what my friend experienced and the outcomes of it in the future. What do you all think?
 

qrex

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Are there still restrictions or penalties for having too many children in China? Like beyond 3?
 

gadgetcool5

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Are there still restrictions or penalties for having too many children in China? Like beyond 3?
No.

China realizes direct childbirth subsidy payments to individuals in 13 provinces and regions

China has enabled the direct distribution of childbirth subsidies to individuals in all social insurance pooling areas across 13 provinces and regions as of June 12, contributing to the creation of a childbirth-friendly society, the National Healthcare Security Administration said on Wednesday.

Overall, nearly 60 percent of social insurance pooling areas nationwide have achieved direct payments to individuals, the administration said.

For example, southwest China's Chongqing Municipality (population 32 million) began directly paying childbirth subsidies to individuals from January 1, 2025, with over 20,575 women receiving more than 257 million yuan in the first two months.

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The actual amount, assuming a one-time payment (12,491 yuan per birth mother) is not as bad as I thought in a municipality where the average salary is 9,300 yuan per month. However, the number of payments (20,575) seems to imply eligibility requirements/incomplete reporting (given it says "over 20,575"). If not, then it would represent a stark crash in numbers. Either way, it is still way too low given the cost of raising a child. It should be ten or twenty times more at least. Still, this is a step in the right direction. Now they need to add financial incentives for a stable marriage (and disincentives for careless divorce).
 
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Virtup

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The whole idea of moving farmers into small peripheral cities doing handicrafts won't help with childbirth.
Yep, it seems at this point that modern cities and the conditions in them became fundamentally detrimental to childbirth. Is there any current example that contradicts this?
 
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