2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

[jiajia99]

Iran thinks it's enemies are as stupid as it is.
Say what you want, but Netanyahu is brutally ruthless. The moment he smells blood in the water, he will finish you off. No surrender, no wait and see, no second chances bs

Iran is over.

Just like then, just like now, the usual people over reacted assuming that just because Israel and America had struck first that Iran has folded like bitches, yet after that Iran does real damage that given Israel’s lack of resources and limited economy is not going to be rebuilt any time soon. Please wait for a few days to see if Iran lacks the balls enough to wave a white flag. Trump by acting first in this fashion could serve to be a green light for other nations to be more involved given how quickly the USA has chosen to piss away all of its soft power for strikes like this. Also note that if any of these strikes has touch any infrastructure that is co opted by Russia we can expect more direct involvement from Russia and also, didn’t Iran already say that the bulk of their arsenal is saved up for when the USA becomes involved. This strike will not deescalate anything and anyone that jumps the gun to say it will is simply yet another U.S. shrill that lacks common sense. This strike reeks of desperation from both Israel and the USA and given their lack of ability to care about the consequences, this isn’t going to go according to their plans one little bit.

if this action by trump ensures that no US base or citizen is going to be safe in the Middle East and the straits of Hormuz is closed while Israel’s national and military grid is destroyed for good (come on everyone knows how slow it takes to fix the damages caused), should Trump consider himself up for resigning given his tendency to screw things up

 

[solarz]

As I mentioned before, the real goal of the US and Israel is regime change, not Iran's supposed nuclear program. Trump's attack is actually an offer to de-escalate, otherwise we should have seen a massive bombing campaign on all of Iran's military facilites. Iran's best response right now is to shut down the strait of Hormuz. This will give both sides a chance to save face and return to the negotiation table.

 

[Mmmeeeto]

: 'No irreversible damage at Fordow' – IRIB

Iranian state media

The Americans only targeted the entry and exit tunnels of the Fordow complex – Al Mayadeen

 

[TPenglake]

It can offer to terminate its nuclear program for good, which is what the U.S. is demanding.

The alternative is likely to be be further escalation by the U.S., and Iran is unlikely to come out on top if such escalation occurs.

Again, you do realize Israel is a party to this fight and has shown repeatedly they are willing to walk a different path from the US for the sake of their own interests? Netanyahu is every bit as blood thirsty as Putin, he's already neutered Gaza's resistance and Hezbollah, going for the kill in Iran would cement his legacy in the history of Israeli leaders.

Ie. What guarantee is there that the Israelis will be satsified with a simple denuclearization deal and that they wouldn't just go on their own to strike Iran regardless of whatever pact the US comes up with?

 

[pokepara]

That means that if any enriched material or enrichment capability remains, it is now use it or lose it. Iran has otherwise lost all other leverage.

Wha? Iran still has:

• Hitting US bases
• Hitting US carriers
• Hitting oil/gas fields
• Closing the Strat of Hormuz
• Asking for aid from Russia/China

I think it's unlikely Iran has lost its enrichment capability.

 

[Fatty]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1935095064591753558

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1935095599642161524

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1935098092572786929

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1935099945973072122

Kind of doubt they hit anything besides the entrances..

 

[SinoAmericanCW]

You make it sound like the US can be negotiated with or that Iran can't do harm to the US economy. This is just not a realistic take. This is a Youtube comment section level argument.

The U.S. can be "negotiated with" in the sense that Iran can capitulate to U.S. demands.

As for Iran, it certainly has some ability to hurt the U.S. But the U.S. has the ability to utterly wreck Iran.

It's better for Iran to just lose its nuclear program than to both lose said program and get wrecked in the process. Living to fight another day isn't cowardice.

 

[Weaasel]

There i

The U.S. can be "negotiated with" in the sense that Iran can capitulate to U.S. demands.

As for Iran, it certainly has some ability to hurt the U.S. But the U.S. has the ability to utterly wreck Iran.

It's better for Iran to just lose its nuclear program than to both lose said program and get wrecked in the process. Living to fight another day isn't cowardice.

There is nothing to negotiate with United States with as far as Iran is concerned. Nothing to negotiate with the West and various Middle Eastern lackeys too...

 

[RottenPanzer]

Any satellite imagery yet? How much of an activity did the Iranian Air Defense do last night?

 

[lube]

The U.S. can be "negotiated with" in the sense that Iran can capitulate to U.S. demands.

As for Iran, it certainly has some ability to hurt the U.S. But the U.S. has the ability to utterly wreck Iran.

It's better for Iran to just lose its nuclear program than to both lose said program and get wrecked in the process. Living to fight another day isn't cowardice.

This is just basic game theory.
We'll get silly outcomes like countries deciding not to retaliate against a nuclear strike because they're afraid of being annihilated if people ignore deterrence and focus on maximum utility..