H-20 bomber (with H-X, JH-XX)

ying1978

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I would imagine that such a base would be in Heilongjiang, not Beijing, as you would save 1600km in distance doing so.View attachment 153329
Our closest airport to Continental US is located in Fuyuan City, Heilongjiang Province. The distances from Fuyuan to Seattle and San Francisco are about 7,000km and 8,000km respectively.
 

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ACuriousPLAFan

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I would imagine that such a base would be in Heilongjiang, not Beijing, as you would save 1600km in distance doing so.View attachment 153329

Those bombers won't need to be based at Heilongjiang. They can be based anywhere in eastern or northern China, takeoff from those bases, get refueled by YY-20s and/or Y-20B MRTTs over Heilongjiang or the Russian Far East before continue their mission journey towards CONUS.

Either way - I'd expect that the H-20s would be used way more frequently within and around the 2IC-2.5IC (and up to the 3IC) than directly around and onto CONUS for the kind of war that China is expected to fight in the WestPac.
 

manqiangrexue

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I mean sure if Russia would spare some land in their arctic region directly above China. IMO it would work, but on what condition will Russia accept a large Chinese airbase on their land
Hell no. They screw up and end up losing some 50 year old Bear bombers and the West laughs. We're not about to lose H-20 to no terrorists with drone trucks. I don't think we want the expense of building an entire airbase with indigenized defenses in Russia, a place where we are unfamiliar with the local elements. Chinese intelligence is extremely good at catching spies around our military quarters. Someone utters 1 wrong tone to an undercover agent patrolling the area and s/he ends up in a questioning room because s/he is noted as non-native and suspicious. There are stories on the Chinese internet about how 1 spy was caught because he ordered noodles at a local joint and an undercover agent in the shop detected that he initially called the noodles a name that no native person would while using a native accent, thereby deducing that his accent was trained/deliberate. Another spy was caught because he bought something at a shop run by an undercover agent and when paying, the agent saw that he had a non-Chinese coin among the coins his hand. We have absolutely no way to do that in a diverse Russian population.
 
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Tomboy

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Hell no. They screw up and end up losing some 50 year old Bear bombers and the West laughs. We're not about to lose H-20 to no terrorists with drone trucks. I don't think we want the expense of building an entire airbase with indigenized defenses in Russia, a place where we are unfamiliar with the local elements. Chinese intelligence is extremely good at catching spies around our military quarters. Someone utters 1 wrong tone to an undercover agent patrolling the area and s/he ends up in a questioning room because s/he is noted as non-native and suspicious. There are stories on the Chinese internet about how 1 spy was caught because he ordered noodles at a local joint and an undercover agent in the shop detected that he initially called the noodles a name that no native person would while using a native accent, thereby deducing that his accent was trained/deliberate. Another spy was caught because he bought something at a shop run by an undercover agent and when paying, the agent saw that he had a non-Chinese coin among the coins his hand. We have absolutely no way to do that in a diverse Russian population.
Russian arctic is basically no man's land, all of what you mentioned isn't too much of a issue since quite literally because this hypothetical military base might be the only permanent human settlement within a god knows how large of a radius, let's say this base will be in Bulunsky on the very edge of Russia. The entire 220000km squared district has just 9000 or so residents. I doubt keeping track of such a low number of population is a difficult thing to do also it'll also be very suspicious for someone to drive all the way up a road(and probably the only road within a large radius of the base) exclusively built for this base with a giant trailer. (Ngl, anyone appearing anywhere remotely near is suspicious because... it's literally in the middle of no where with nothing even remotely nearby no need for complicated counter intelligence) Having access to arctic waters might also allow this base to operate as a forward staging ground for the Chinese underwater fleet in the arctic and also recieve supply(ie. Oil supply but this could also be done via pipelines tapping into the Russian network but having a alternative option is great incase someone blew up the pipelines) via cargo ships. Normal supplies/personnel could be ferried in via regular Y-20 flights etc. The base doesn't have to be extremely large but just large enough to be independent of outside infrastructure.
 

Amistrophy

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Why would China want to base one of it's primary strategic arms and nuclear deterrents in another country? It just seems to needlessly complicate the operational readiness and upkeep, cause unneccessary political and diplomatic entanglements-- plus, while they might be on friendly terms, China and Russia are still both independently nuclear armed nations on the same continent sharing a large border.

I could see maybe some sort of temporary deployment to bases in the Arctic circle in some sorts of situations, but I'm not particularily convinced that the range issue could warrant drawing up something of this scale (especially if you're establishing an entirely new airbase), instead of just in air refueling or desigining for increased range.
 

lcloo

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Among the three nuclear Triad - SSBN, land based ICBM (and other missiles types with nuclear warheads) and Strategic nuclear bombers, the slow progress of long range bomber over the last 2 decades may indicated that PLA or CMC's priority is on land based ICBM and SSBN.

China has a geographical disadvantage of basing strategic bomber vs the US. US has air bases from Alaska, Haiwaii, Guam, Midway island, Australia, Diego Garcia in Indian Ocean that can accomodate B-1, B-2, B-21 and B-52 bombers, the distances from these bases to China Mainland is relatively short compare to the distances that PLAAF bombers need to fly to continental USA.

The longer the time that you need to fly to your launching point, the greater the chances of your bomber get detected.

Thus, I think H20 might be prioritised for attack against these US bases instead of continental USA, the aim would be to deny availability of foward airbases for US bombers. Though having the range to reach East coast of US will be useful and H20 should be able to do this, but not as its main designated mission.

Atomisation of US mainland bases and facilities would be the jobs of SSBN and ICBM as they may have higher rates of successful penetrating US defenses.
 
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Tomboy

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Among the three nuclear Triad - SSBN, land based ICBM (and other missiles types with nuclear warheads) and Strategic nuclear bombers, the slow progress of long range bomber over the last 2 decades may indicated that PLA or CMC's priority is on land based ICBM and SSBN.

China has a geographical disadvantage of basing strategic bomber vs the US. US has air bases from Alaska, Haiwaii, Guam, Midway island, Australia, Diego Garcia in Indian Ocean that can accomodate B-1, B-2, B-21 and B-52 bombers, the distances from these bases to China Mainland is relatively short compare to the distances that PLAAF bombers need to fly to continental USA.

The longer the time that you need to fly to your launching point, the greater the chances of your bomber get detected.

Thus, I think H20 might be prioritised for attack against these US bases instead of continental USA, the aim would be to deny availability of foward airbases for US bombers. Though having the range to reach East coast of US will be useful and H20 should be able to do this, but not as its main designated mission.

Atomisation of US mainland bases and facilities would be the jobs of SSBN and ICBM as they may have higher rates of successful penetrating US defenses.
This is assuming a nuclear war, in a conventional war crippling US industrial centers would be of strategic importance and also demoralizing the enemy like the how Doolittle raid broke the thought that nothing could touch Japanese mainland, China would be at a disadvantage without a way to saturate CONUS with attacks while the US could do to China via Second/third island/Alaskan air bases. US rode out of WW2 unharmed was only due to the fact that noone can reach the CONUS effectively China cannot let this advantage continue on.
 

sunnymaxi

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This is assuming a nuclear war, in a conventional war crippling US industrial centers would be of strategic importance and also demoralizing the enemy like the how Doolittle raid broke the thought that nothing could touch Japanese mainland, China would be at a disadvantage without a way to saturate CONUS with attacks while the US could do to China via Second/third island/Alaskan air bases. US rode out of WW2 unharmed was only due to the fact that noone can reach the CONUS effectively China cannot let this advantage continue on.
then China need forward bases just like USA.. so we should talk with Russia ??
 
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