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AndrewJ

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Exclusive: China's most advanced bombers seen on disputed South China Sea island​

Along with AEW&C planes, transport planes, helicopters, & civilian airplanes.

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Lnk111229

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Reputation huh? Now we are going back to the soft power vs hard power thing again.

You know with all that has happened in just the last few years, I am more convinced that soft power is overrated as hell and really is a second thought to hard power.

I remember people whining about how China has crap soft power and reputation and how they are jealous of places like Japan or South Korea who have it. Well now both are seen as old aging has-been vassal states with low birth rates who now need to consider asking immigrants to come to their countries to save them. South Korea has went up and fallen down in such a short time its amazing. Like they have a president who thought it was a good idea to declare martial law without a plan, Samsung and others are losing out, their sporting performance is going down hill, Kpop is no longer as cool etc.

Meanwhile China who has been slandered for years and years is suddenly "cool". Get real. The reason China is "cool" is the cumulation of decades of hard work to get its technology, living standards, infrastructure etc to world class while everyone else was mocking it. It didn't need to do a huge advertisement show of its weapons. The recent fight between India and Pakistan let China's prowess prove itself on the battlefield rather than arguing on the internet about how good it was on paper. Basically China's prowess can simply no longer be denied and now people are forced to accept it.

Anyway where I am going with this is if China was to do something, its less to do with reputation and more to do with being practical. It is not practical to start landgrabbing Russia when it has its hands full already with US, Taiwan, Philippines, Japan and even India. China already has enough guys to deal with, it doesn't need to make another one. Not having to worry about the north or west parts of China is something it has almost never seen before.

Its just frustrating to watch Russia at the moment given how good it was on paper. Russia is strong enough so it doesn't need China's help etc. Thats fine but please actually live up to it. Otherwise its like a teammate who says he can handle it and it turns out he can't so now the team is fucked.
Agree. Soft power and some random country and it people view/ opinions is pretty much irrelevant. Besides no matter how much soft power China have can't changes the mind of China haters. Talk about borders between Russia and China make me want to tell story of China hater visit some Russia town/city in border with China. He wants to depict those town as some lovely places but in reality because it geographic it just some dark, boring, lack of spirit/ vitality place. And he also remark: people here(Russian) use to be honest and sincere or almost naive etc. But after few decades of trading and communicate with Chinese they learn some trick and become less honest and more evil. Implied that Russian is good boys got seductive by evil Chinese. Lol just convenient forgot to mention how those good boys can grab the land and live in the land of evils Chinese in first place.
 

Randomuser

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Agree. Soft power and some random country and it people view/ opinions is pretty much irrelevant. Besides no matter how much soft power China have can't changes the mind of China haters. Talk about borders between Russia and China make me want to tell story of China hater visit some Russia town/city in border with China. He wants to depict those town as some lovely places but in reality because it geographic it just some dark, boring, lack of spirit/ vitality place. And he also remark: people here(Russian) use to be honest and sincere or almost naive etc. But after few decades of trading and communicate with Chinese they learn some trick and become less honest and more evil. Implied that Russian is good boys got seductive by evil Chinese. Lol just convenient forgot to mention how those good boys can grab the land and live in the land of evils Chinese in first place.
People in the west know all the stories about how Russia stomped the swedes, french, germans, poles etc in Europe. What about the east? They simply moved east now equipped with guns thanks to advancement in technology and took over the nomadic guys who weren't strong like the mongols. The only reason they didn't get more is because Qing back when it was strong stopped them going any further. Thats really it. There's no major story or history there.

Russian won it through force and blood. Thats the norm really. But then they shouldn't be surprised it can just as easily be taken away. Luckily China has it hands full with other stuff and isn't dumb enough to make another enemy. With how patient China has been, Russians esp their nationalists should be a bit more grateful imo to have someone like China next to them instead of say...India who paid them in worthless rupees to resell their oil and took photo ops with Zelensky while calling themselves a friend. If China had such a mindset, we would already have multiple Galwan clashes on north parts since any weakness or distraction is enough to make a landgrab attempt. They don't know how good they have it.

So imo, the least Russia can do is not fuck up this mess with Ukraine any further. Don't be a burden to the team.
 
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4Tran

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Agree. Soft power and some random country and it people view/ opinions is pretty much irrelevant. Besides no matter how much soft power China have can't changes the mind of China haters. Talk about borders between Russia and China make me want to tell story of China hater visit some Russia town/city in border with China. He wants to depict those town as some lovely places but in reality because it geographic it just some dark, boring, lack of spirit/ vitality place. And he also remark: people here(Russian) use to be honest and sincere or almost naive etc. But after few decades of trading and communicate with Chinese they learn some trick and become less honest and more evil. Implied that Russian is good boys got seductive by evil Chinese. Lol just convenient forgot to mention how those good boys can grab the land and live in the land of evils Chinese in first place.
Soft power and reputation are extremely important for China because it gives them huge advantages in Asean, the Middle East, South America, Africa, and South Asia. Even if it did nothing for the China-haters (which isn't actually), China sticking to its principles still holds a lot of value.
 

vincent

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This real? Niger requiring all CN personnels on Oil facilities there to leave by May31, (maybe some technicians will stay?) or else they will do "enforcement"? Why r they targeting CN investment there? Curious did Niger do similar to other investments there?
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Oil minister Sahabi Oumarou has asked the China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC) and its refinery SORAZ to terminate the contracts of expatriates who have been working in Niger for more than four years, two letters showed.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Lets be honest though, the only reason China allows Russia to have stuff that was previously Chinese lands is because of Russian military power. Russia's legitimacy is pretty much tied to how strong it is. If it doesn't have the strength, it has no justification for a lot of its land.

Obviously its way better for Russia to win this war with Ukraine. But Russia is only as good as it backs up with its fist.
That is a historical absolute truth though. Every territorial claim is tied to how much power you have. Starship Troopers was right: the ultimate arbiter of truth is force.

What is the legitimate territory of the US, without force? Jamestown, Virginia and Plymouth Rock, Massachusetts. Every meter beyond that was taken with brute force or trickery backed by force.
 

sabiothailand

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That is a historical absolute truth though. Every territorial claim is tied to how much power you have. Starship Troopers was right: the ultimate arbiter of truth is force.

What is the legitimate territory of the US, without force? Jamestown, Virginia and Plymouth Rock, Massachusetts. Every meter beyond that was taken with brute force or trickery backed by force.
While I think your points make sense, I don't you should use a satirical film as a source for your information.

Who knows, some haters might cherry-pick it and show to others as proof of how we're stupid or something lol.
 

Randomuser

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While I think your points make sense, I don't you should use a satirical film as a source for your information.

Who knows, some haters might cherry-pick it and show to others as proof of how we're stupid or something lol.
Starship troopers is based on a novel by Robert Heinlein who is considered one of the pioneers of science fiction. The novel is also considered a staple of scifi. Heinlein being ex military will obviously have bias but at least can explain where he comes from.

But on the last day he seemed to be trying to find out what we had learned. One girl told him bluntly: “My mother says that violence never settles anything.”

“So?” Mr. Dubois looked at her bleakly. “I’m sure the city fathers of Carthage would be glad to know that. Why doesn’t your mother tell them so? Or why don’t you?”

They had tangled before—since you couldn’t flunk the course, it wasn’t necessary to keep Mr. Dubois buttered up. She said shrilly, “You’re making fun of me! Everybody knows that Carthage was destroyed!”

“You seemed to be unaware of it,” he said grimly. “Since you do know it, wouldn’t you say that violence had settled their destinies rather thoroughly? However, I was not making fun of you personally; I was heaping scorn on an inexcusably silly idea—a practice I shall always follow. Anyone who clings to the historically untrue—and thoroughly immoral—doctrine that ‘violence never settles anything’ I would advise to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and of the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler could referee, and the jury might well be the Dodo, the Great Auk, and the Passenger Pigeon. Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms.”
 

gelgoog

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I doubt it will actually cost half the price to build an NPP in Kazakstan by China vs Russia.
I think the difference in price is because China expects to be able to build it faster.
Russia built the Belarussian NPP in 9 years while China built the NPP in Pakistan in 6 years. So I expect China to be able to make it 33% cheaper.
But then again the plant in Pakistan did not have cooling towers. It was cooled by the ocean. Those easily will add time and expense to the build.
 
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