China's Space Program Thread II

AndrewJ

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Just a map & a website, introducing China's four space launch sites, and launch capacity (rocket, orbit, etc.) of each site.
Also introduces two control centers.

Four sites: Wenchang(文昌), Jiuquan(酒泉), Taiyuan(太原), Xichang(西昌)
Two control centers: Beijing(北京), Xi'an(西安)

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nativechicken

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Here is the best exposition of SLS I know:

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Few people know about this article. I saw it on NSF over a year ago. However, I don't fully agree with some of its viewpoints either.

Starship's orbital refueling approach is not the future of interstellar travel. The required refueling volume is too massive, zero evaporation storage is impractical. Fuel is difficult to obtain at low cost from extraterrestrial sources (celestial bodies beyond Earth).

We should view future interstellar travel through the lens of modern transportation concepts.

The idea of using a single spacecraft to handle all missions is absurd. Interstellar exploration inherently requires multiple specialized transportation modes each optimized for specific tasks.

Now Starship has distorted this into forcing one vehicle to handle everything.

This resembles the F-35 situation - pursuing forced multi-service commonality resulted in a problematic product.

True large-scale deep space exploration should involve hybrid transportation systems combining different spacecraft types.

Different spacecraft should be reused across various orbital transfer routes in space.

For example, China doesn't need to obsess over deep space reuse of secondary spacecraft. Starship's second stage is optimized for escaping Earth's gravity well, requiring massive Earth-based infrastructure for its enormous refueling demands. Such oversized vehicles are unnecessary and unsuitable for lunar/Martian surface operations.

Real deep space vehicle reuse isn't implemented this way - it's extremely foolish. In fact, the US already has systematic research in this area. So does China.

An example: China's nuclear-powered dual-mode propulsion system (nuclear thermal propulsion + nuclear electric propulsion), currently achieving maximum thrust of 110 kN level (11 tons).

3-4 clustered dual-mode engines could reach Mars orbit from Earth orbit in 3-6 months. Single-mode (electric propulsion only) could reach lunar orbit in 6-10 months.

In Earth-Moon orbital transfers, fuel consumption remains minimal - just a few tons at most can deliver dozens of tons of pure cargo to lunar orbit (current chemical propulsion limit is about 1:1 mass ratio for payload vs transportation hardware). Starship's approach requires 14-24 tanker ships (essentially 2 refueling missions) moving thousands of tons of propellant (1,200-2,500t), yet only delivers 20 tons to lunar surface.

Electric thrusters (specific impulse about 5000s) require longer duration, but just a few tons of fuel can deliver 40-70t cargo to lunar orbit, enabling 15-20t of surface payload (excluding lander mass). Both orbital vehicles and landers in this example can be reused.

In reality, only the initial launch requires CZ9-class rockets to deliver 100+ ton spacecraft to orbit. Subsequent missions can use CZ10-class rockets for fuel/material resupply and hardware reuse.

Not like Starship's approach requiring multiple 100-ton fuel transfers and ultimately a 1000-ton fuel replenishment - all carrying risks and costs. Moreover, Starship's excessive dry mass leaves minimal payload capacity, with 90-98% of fuel consumed by the massive vehicle structure (waste increases exponentially for deep space round trips). The entire concept becomes meaningless.
 

by78

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An observation platform is being built at Wenchang for tourists to watch space launches from afar.

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, China conducted a full-system test run on a 140-ton LOX/Methane reusable engine last month. Apparently, from design validation to full-system test run, it took only seven months. Which engine is this? The thrust figure doesn't match anything I remember off the top of my head.

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航天科技六院140吨级重复使用液氧甲烷发动机于2024年9月正式开始研制,当月完成方案论证,11月图纸下厂,2025年3月首台产品交付,4月首次整机试车成功。六院将加快以“八年九机”为代表的液体火箭发动机研发工作,特别是200吨级液氧甲烷发动机、可重复使用发动机等要快速迭代,全面突破技术难点。

this is pretty cool, started development in September & finished blueprint in November and first product delivered in March and first did test run in April.

They have done some really impressive development include 200t liquid oxygen-methane engine.
 

Kejora

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航天科技六院140吨级重复使用液氧甲烷发动机于2024年9月正式开始研制,当月完成方案论证,11月图纸下厂,2025年3月首台产品交付,4月首次整机试车成功。六院将加快以“八年九机”为代表的液体火箭发动机研发工作,特别是200吨级液氧甲烷发动机、可重复使用发动机等要快速迭代,全面突破技术难点。

this is pretty cool, started development in September & finished blueprint in November and first product delivered in March and first did test run in April.

They have done some really impressive development include 200t liquid oxygen-methane engine.
Is the 140-ton engine has the same size as YF-100? If yes it might eventually replace the YF-100 on reusable LM-10A
 

gpt

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You can't just replace engines like that, rockets aren't legos. Engines and their software and hardware are designed specifically for that rocket. There is also no way CALT would allow anything other than the YF-100K for the 10 design.
They are however able to use the engine, or transfer the technology, for a new 5m diameter design though.
 

Kejora

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You can't just replace engines like that, rockets aren't legos. Engines and their software and hardware are designed specifically for that rocket. There is also no way CALT would allow anything other than the YF-100K for the 10 design.
They are however able to use the engine, or transfer the technology, for a new 5m diameter design though.
Probably going to offer them to private rocket company that doesn't want to make their own engine.
 
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