Then PK should study this lesson harder than India does so next time this happens, India will be losing more than just a few jets. For example learning how to handle stuff like missiles and shelling which is going to be the more common thing in war.
The Kashmir conflict 2025.
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And educate people so they don’t play around with live munitions like they are kids’ toys.
Yep, this is a great opportunity for Pakistan to fix the weaknesses found in the air defences. Its clear India won't use air force again as PAF clearly has the edge. So we need to improve our air defense.
And probably drones. They will be used a lot more next time.
I think the effectiveness of the PAF, missiles, and drones may have played a role in pushing towards deescalation. If the Pakistani Air Force was an ineffective rock then India may have been embolden to seek more hardline terms. India saw that their self proclaimed superiority was far more shaky than they had expected and Pakistan was not in any position for a prolonged conflict.
Attributing decisions not to escalate to "fear" or "being scared" is the mindset of a child. There are real lives at stake and real limits to capabilities that only internet commentators like yourself get to ignore.
"Numerous red lines"? Compared to what? 2019 was worse than this by just about any metric, considering the actual intrusion of airspace by both sides.
No shit.
"Emboldened"?? They lost a Rafale. If anything next time they'll be more cautious.
We will definitely see investments in non ballistic hypersonic missiles, im guessing upto 500-600 miles range (keeps navy in check too) and further layering of AD and cheap asd dispensable long range loitering ammunition/drones like Geran variants.
All in all, imo, it went far better for Pakistan than anyone was expecting.
Most important is fixing the internal politics and economy.
All in all, imo, it went far better for Pakistan than anyone was expecting.
Most important is fixing the internal politics and economy.
People here seem to be expecting Pakistan to respond and further provoke the situation which could escalate into a nuclear war. This is a serious matter.
Pakistan certainly suffered some visible damage in this Indian attack, but it is better now for the parties to sit down and talk to de-escalate the tension, which would help reduce hostilities and minimize the risk of escalation into an open and perhaps nuclear war.
See the main point here, the PAF humiliated the IAF. It broke the IAF's encryption by eavesdropping on the conversations of the IAF's Rafale pilots, it apparently chose to go after the Rafales as a priority over all other IAF aircraft and it seems that it would probably have been a massacre for the IAF if it had done so, which showed restraint on the part of the PAF just to humiliate the IAF, and ultimately, it showed the incompetence of India and its air force that is totally outdated in terms of doctrine, training and leadership.
Furthermore, it marked the combat debut of China's integrated air warfare system, which has performed beyond the expectations of most if not all Western defense analysts, from the J-10CE to the PL-15E. In fact, Americans must be scratching their heads now knowing the effectiveness of the PL-15 and what happened to the Indian Rafale is what will happen to their Super Hornets in the Pacific, the downing of the Rafale is a very serious sign for the US Navy.
It demonstrated that situational awareness is everything in warfare. It further cements the 5th generation and China seems to be right in pursuing a large air fleet of 5th generation fighters for the PLAAF/PLANAF.
There are many repercussions....
Pakistan certainly suffered some visible damage in this Indian attack, but it is better now for the parties to sit down and talk to de-escalate the tension, which would help reduce hostilities and minimize the risk of escalation into an open and perhaps nuclear war.
See the main point here, the PAF humiliated the IAF. It broke the IAF's encryption by eavesdropping on the conversations of the IAF's Rafale pilots, it apparently chose to go after the Rafales as a priority over all other IAF aircraft and it seems that it would probably have been a massacre for the IAF if it had done so, which showed restraint on the part of the PAF just to humiliate the IAF, and ultimately, it showed the incompetence of India and its air force that is totally outdated in terms of doctrine, training and leadership.
Furthermore, it marked the combat debut of China's integrated air warfare system, which has performed beyond the expectations of most if not all Western defense analysts, from the J-10CE to the PL-15E. In fact, Americans must be scratching their heads now knowing the effectiveness of the PL-15 and what happened to the Indian Rafale is what will happen to their Super Hornets in the Pacific, the downing of the Rafale is a very serious sign for the US Navy.
It demonstrated that situational awareness is everything in warfare. It further cements the 5th generation and China seems to be right in pursuing a large air fleet of 5th generation fighters for the PLAAF/PLANAF.
There are many repercussions....
Zahid
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I have to confess that behavior of certain members is a revelation. They legit wanted Pakistan to keep fighting in order to bleed India just so they could enjoy the show. Its like "you have weapons, you fight war & we will enjoy seeing you fight". This is a transactional approach that is childish to say the least.
Pakistan's weakness is its economy & fuel stocks. We have enough ammunition to continue. What most people do not understand is that Pakistan is actually a very heavily armed society. We can raise armies in no time, but that needs an existential threat to happen. This ceasefire in tossing of missiles after India lost the air battle seems to have displease some jingoistic voyeurs.
Pakistan's weakness is its economy & fuel stocks. We have enough ammunition to continue. What most people do not understand is that Pakistan is actually a very heavily armed society. We can raise armies in no time, but that needs an existential threat to happen. This ceasefire in tossing of missiles after India lost the air battle seems to have displease some jingoistic voyeurs.