The Kashmir conflict 2025.
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Why would US be triggered by that decade old F-16 designed in 1970s isn't top of the line? It's not like F-35 was involved
Hi,
if someone can decode DG ISPR press conference & he is a 3 star general
he clearly say in it our jets remain in our territory did not cross the LOC to
shoot down the Indian airforce planes, by virtue of this one can assume that
Pl15 been used at their utmost level of speed and performance another thing
which he mentioned in his press conference was Pakistan deliberately left 10
more fighters without shooting those beside this once these shot down fighters
release their payload towards Pakistan they been put down towards the ground
probably couple of been went down with HQ9 rest by airforce
thank you
if someone can decode DG ISPR press conference & he is a 3 star general
he clearly say in it our jets remain in our territory did not cross the LOC to
shoot down the Indian airforce planes, by virtue of this one can assume that
Pl15 been used at their utmost level of speed and performance another thing
which he mentioned in his press conference was Pakistan deliberately left 10
more fighters without shooting those beside this once these shot down fighters
release their payload towards Pakistan they been put down towards the ground
probably couple of been went down with HQ9 rest by airforce
thank you
Yeah, but it should have provided some heads ups against low flying aircraft if it was an ambush. Of course, the terrain might have made things difficult but an A-50 probably would have had a better visual than a ground based one on that regard.
Also, lol
The delusional irony of indians mocking their own missile as Chinese lol. Since when HQ-9 is black?
AAMs don't get intercepted. Not by this bunch at least. Maybe China and US are in the business and level of intercepting AAMs through kinetic means (both can surely disrupt modern, late 20th century and early 21st century AAMs using electromagnetic means).
Find target or not. The below is what we know and what both sides basically confirm officially and from observable osints and visual records.
- At least 3 fighter wreckages within India/India occupied Kashmir (IOK). Claims go up to 5 sites or more. But 3 is visually confirmed.
- India rapidly cleaned up the areas and retrieved the wrecks.
- Photos and videos that got out indicate one site with an undeniable (yes, even to the most extreme 50 IQ bhakts) M88 engine wreckage which confirms Rafale shot down. No other fighter on the planet uses the M88 engine apart from the Rafale.
Above M88 engine at airshow even has Rafale in the infoboard.
Literally no other fighter engine looks like this one.
Google what the JF-17 engine looks like - it uses a RD-93 or WS-13 engine and the plumbing and housing for combustion chamber does not look like this M88.
The J-10CE uses a WS-10B engine. Also looks nothing like this.
The M88 wreck matches the M88 engine by the combustion chamber housing, unique simply plumbing pipes, and the relatively unique petals.
- Another wreck site shows a French pylon (fighters DO NOT discard pylons EVER unless of course it's a killed fighter, in which case this is because the French pylon is lying next to a videoed fighter crash site. This pylon matches with Rafale pylon rather than Mirage pylon with one layer of painted text damaged/burnt off. MICA missile (only used by Indian Airforce in this engagement) wreck is also undeniable and close by. MICA is definitely used by Rafale and possibly could be used by Mirage maybe someone can confirm whether Indian Mirage fighters use the MICA. It definitely was part of the Rafale purchase package though so possibly a second Rafale shot down can be confirmed. If not Rafale, this would be Mirage.
- India has possessed the wrecks for about 17 hours now and have kept quiet. They did not say these were Pakistani fighters. If they were Pakistani fighters, they'd already make the claim officially. Pakistan has officially announced that they have shot down 3 Rafales, 1 Su-30MKI and 1 Mirage. Pakistan's claims are holding more water simply because India has possession of all the wrecks which fell on their side and they initially admitted this before media censorship started. Meanwhile Pakistan's official claim of downing mutiple Indian fighters on India's side of the border could be so easily smashed if India show the wrecks. Visual evidence show the wrecks are of 1 or 2 Rafale and 1 unknown fighter.
- Last bit of interesting info is that at least one PL-15 Pakistan fired has a component retrieved inside India. It's impossible to confirm if this missile hit its target or not from available information but the PL-15 is a PL-15E version which is a downgraded export version. Given the number of confirmed fighters shot down, two of which match Rafale (one confirmed Rafale engine wreck and one likely Rafale pylon and missile at crash site), it's pretty safe to think that Pakistan used PL-15E missiles from China against these Rafales. I mean, ffs put 1 and 1 together it's not fucking hard.
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And plus they may affraid of this scean:
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in 04:25
There is also the possibility of
1) long range throws through mid-course 3rd party guidance (satellite or AEW) which would be effectively silent until terminal lock from the AAM or
2) long range throws against targets that are jammed and blinded by EW
It is pretty hard to find AAM components due to size. As with the AIM-120C from 2019 I think that they found it along with the wreckage.
Indian Brahmin Winism, way more superior to the White House Germanic Winism.