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plawolf said:
A manage decline and settlement into a much reduced, but still comfortable position was China’s preferred solution to dealing with America, but that went out the window when Trump tried to destroy China’s economic future.

You can’t start a fight to the death and then call time out when it looks like you are the one who is going to die. Some moves can’t be walked back, because at its core, the total breakdown of trust is irrevocable. Just what assurances can Trump and America give China that it won’t try to kill China’s economy ever again that China can believe them? And this goes beyond just Trump, because the silence across the American political spectrum about him crossing this most fundamental of red lines is deafening and speaks all that needs to be said. No one in power in America sees Trump’s attempt to destroy China’s economic future as wrong. They just didn’t think the way he went about that is best. How can you have any trust with someone who wants you dead? Without that most bare minimum of trust, what relationships can you have with them?

The economic relationship between China and America is irrevocably destroyed now. Full decoupling is in full swing, and China is driving that as much as America with Boeing delivery refusals and rare earth bans. I would go as far as to say that China is swinging into full war prep now, although there will be much deliberate concealment of that decision and the nature of arms procurement means that definitive proof probably won’t be seen for years. Much of the war prep will probably be disguised as economic stimulus to mitigate the economic impacted of the decoupling.

I think a countdown is now underway in Beijing. The key question of whether that is for the economic death blow to America, or for full kinetic warfare is probably irrelevant and academic at this point, as I think China will feel it needs to be fully prepared for the later even if it only intends the former, and if it is prepared for the later, when the time comes, will it even bother to limit itself just to the former?
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This is the problem with electing an entitled brat to a major leadership position — he has never faced any real consequences for his actions during his entire life. This time, no one will bail him out. Not his daddy or mommy, not China.
 
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plawolf said:
A manage decline and settlement into a much reduced, but still comfortable position was China’s preferred solution to dealing with America, but that went out the window when Trump tried to destroy China’s economic future.

You can’t start a fight to the death and then call time out when it looks like you are the one who is going to die. Some moves can’t be walked back, because at its core, the total breakdown of trust is irrevocable. Just what assurances can Trump and America give China that it won’t try to kill China’s economy ever again that China can believe them? And this goes beyond just Trump, because the silence across the American political spectrum about him crossing this most fundamental of red lines is deafening and speaks all that needs to be said. No one in power in America sees Trump’s attempt to destroy China’s economic future as wrong. They just didn’t think the way he went about that is best. How can you have any trust with someone who wants you dead? Without that most bare minimum of trust, what relationships can you have with them?

The economic relationship between China and America is irrevocably destroyed now. Full decoupling is in full swing, and China is driving that as much as America with Boeing delivery refusals and rare earth bans. I would go as far as to say that China is swinging into full war prep now, although there will be much deliberate concealment of that decision and the nature of arms procurement means that definitive proof probably won’t be seen for years. Much of the war prep will probably be disguised as economic stimulus to mitigate the economic impacted of the decoupling.

I think a countdown is now underway in Beijing. The key question of whether that is for the economic death blow to America, or for full kinetic warfare is probably irrelevant and academic at this point, as I think China will feel it needs to be fully prepared for the later even if it only intends the former, and if it is prepared for the later, when the time comes, will it even bother to limit itself just to the former?
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I agree that we're seeing China implementing wartime-level economic contingency plans.

But I maintain it still isn't in China's interest to see a sudden shock cause by an American economic collapse or a China-US shooting war.

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China's best course of action is to continue with dual circulation policies, where the Chinese domestic economy isn't reliant on imports/technology from other countries, but China does continue to sell abroad so that other countries are dependent on China. We're still looking at 5+ years for complete Chinese technology self-sufficiency, and therefore full decoupling.

Such Chinese policies, taken to full conclusion, means that the US doesn't have the capability to "kill" China's economy in the future. Arguably, we've already reached this point, because this will likely be the conclusion from the current US-China trade war.
 
plawolf

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siegecrossbow said:
This is the problem with electing an entitled brat to a major leadership position — he has never faced any real consequences for his actions during his entire life. This time, no one will bail him out. Not his daddy or mommy, not China.
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The true root cause of the problem is that Trump isn’t the abbreviation the western MSM would like to pretend that he is. He is the manifestation of Washington and America’s hatred of China, and not the cause of it. America was just as enthusiastic about fucking China over under Biden as they were during Trump 1.

Suggesting we wouldn’t be in the same position if there wasn’t Trump is the same as saying WWII would not have happened if Hitler got turned to red mist by French artillery in WWI.

The overriding trends in German and American society are the root causes, changing a leader will at most just push the timeframe further to the right.
 
siegecrossbow

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plawolf said:
The true root cause of the problem is that Trump isn’t the abbreviation the western MSM would like to pretend that he is. He is the manifestation of Washington and America’s hatred of China, and not the cause of it. America was just as enthusiastic about fucking China over under Biden as they were during Trump 1.

Suggesting we wouldn’t be in the same position if there wasn’t Trump is the same as saying WWII would not have happened if Hitler got turned to red mist by French artillery in WWI.

The overriding trends in German and American society are the root causes, changing a leader will at most just push the timeframe further to the right.
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Yeah but there is going about it in a fucking dumb way and going about it in a slightly less dumb way.
 
zyklon

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siegecrossbow said:
Yeah but there is going about it in a fucking dumb way and going about it in a slightly less dumb way.
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Inclined to agree with @plawolf here: Trump is a symptom of rather than the cause of the decline of Pax Americana.

However flawed, America is a democracy, and voters re-elected Trump to the White House because he embodies (or at least embodied) their values, preferences and hopes.

Trump represents America.

So with where things stand right now three months into Trump's second term, that should tell you just how smart or dumb the average American is as of 2025! ;)

ACuriousPLAFan said:
That's one hell of The Art Of The Deal coming out of you, Donnie ROFL

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1915038105720987666
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Sounds like another win on the way for Donald Trump! :cool:

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