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Randomuser

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Lots of MAGA on twitter are citing that Vietnam bent the knee due to tariffs.

But it's ironic that Vietnam did this earlier and yet still got hit.

So wouldn't this just make the US much less trustworthy in general?
A lot of westoids are really deluded and think Vietnam will somehow team up with America over China.

Vietnam has over 1000 years of dealing with China. There are ups and downs but ultimately, it knows how to balance out China well enough. The first top exam scorer is famous for being able to negotiate a deal the Song dynasty.

Meanwhile America has already shown how unhinged it can get.
 

Overbom

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Chinese bazooka getting readied as we speak
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China urges U.S. to ‘immediately’ cancel reciprocal tariffs, vows counter-measures​

China’s Ministry of Commerce urged the U.S. to “immediately cancel” its unilateral tariff measures and vowed to take “resolute counter-measures” to safeguard its own rights and interests, after U.S. President Donald Trump unveiled what analysts described as the steepest tariff hikes in a century.

“The U.S. has drawn the so-called ‘reciprocal tariffs’ based on subjective and unilateral assessments, which goes against international trade rules and seriously undermine the legitimate rights and interests of relevant parties,” a commerce ministry spokesperson
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, translated by CNBC.
The Chinese official described the Trump administration’s decision to impose reciprocal tariffs as a “typical unilateral bullying practice,” adding that many countries have expressed “strong dissatisfaction and clear opposition.”
 
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GulfLander

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Cn FM talk abt US statement on Xizang.
"The U.S. move blatantly interferes in Xizang affairs, which are China’s internal affairs. This gravely contravenes international law and the basic norms governing international relations. China strongly deplores and firmly rejects this. Let me stress that Xizang is an open region. We have never issued regulations restricting foreigners entering Xizang. Every year, Xizang receives a large number of foreign tourists and people of various sectors. In 2024 alone, 320,000 foreign tourists visited Xizang. In light of the region’s special geographical and climatic conditions, the Chinese government has taken some regulatory and protection measures in accordance with laws and regulations regarding foreigners entering the region. This is completely necessary. Foreigners are welcome to visit, travel and do business in China’s Xizang region, but they must abide by China’s laws and relevant regulations. We reject groundless vilification of Xizang’s human rights, religious and cultural cause, and oppose foreign officials’ interference and sabotage in the name of performing their duties in Xizang."
 

Neurosmith

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Taiwan can't retaliate against the mainland because they'll be too busy trying to stay alive. Once the PLARF starts shooting, nothing in Taiwan will be thinking about hitting back but all about hiding and survival... and surrendering.

And by the way, the entire premise is stupid. It's that if the US can't win against a lesser foe, then neither can China. No, how about if Iran can keep off the US with such a disadvantage, then the PRC can crush the ROC since we'd be at a huge advantage?
Best not to make any assumptions about that. They have developed weapons specifically for that purpose.

Your certainly ticked all the American tropes.

- Do you truely comprehend the strength disparity between China and Taiwan? lol. Are we forgetting the collective west's MIC had been unable to keep up with just a rounding error of "netural" China's consumer industry? Do you really think Taiwan will be able to strike mainland China while their skies are saturated with drones tracking every man, woman, child and their pet? At least Gaza has tunnels to Egypt....
Nobody is denying that a disparity exists between China and Taiwan. However the disparity between China and Taiwan is smaller than that between the US and Iran (at least in military terms). The former was never my argument.

- Tyranny of distance works both ways, a concept Americans always struggle with. What the tyrany of distnace equation when you factor into Iran's distance to Russia and China, what that means for logistics? China will be neutral of course, but neither Iran nor Yemen has the eletronics industry needed to build their missiles either, and yet they somehow have everything they need, hmm
Logistically-speaking, the US is much more advantageously positioned not only because of their sealift capability but also due to their stand-off weapons capability. They wouldn't need to worry about Iran targeting Diego Garcia because the latter is simply out of range. This of course wouldn't even apply in real life because the US isn't planning to launch a land invasion of Iran. My point is that a potential Iran operation would be much simpler and less risky (for the attacker) vis-a-vis a Taiwan operation.

- Who said Iran can't strike America's homeland? Iran just did, twice, against Isreal didn't they? lol
I think you just answered your own question.

- Who said China need to land boots on Taiwan? Let me guess, across a wall of fire on the beach, charging against Sherman tanks firing into the water?
- But sure you don't need boots on the ground to win, which is why you're winning against the Houthis right?
Of course a Taiwan operation would need boots on the ground. This is a discussion for another thread, but a regime-change operation like a Taiwan scenario has a different endgame than "hit-the-reactor" situations like Iran (and historically Syria).

- China has more J-20 than Taiwan has planes buddy, and that's not counting how many even gets to take off. This isn't a war between Iran and Taiwan, this also isn't fantasy football. Iran already demonstrated they have massive number of precision missiles that can penetrate America's heartland Israel and requires emergency THAAD deployment, while Taiwan has a colletion of musem pieces from the 1980s (which is 45 years ago btw), going against the largest industrial power in history whose consumer industry alone has just mogged the entirity of NATO....

Lastly, civilized countries define winning at achieving objectives, uncivilized tribes define winning as killing, America can launch terrorist attacks on civilians for sure, but that's not winning.
Again, the premise isn't that China doesn't have a military advantage over Taiwan. Iran's collection of ballistic missiles (many of which are older liquid-fueled variants), when pitted against standoff US airpower, presents much less of a threat compared to hundreds or thousands of Taiwanese supersonic or high-subsonic cruise missiles heading for targets only 100 km away.

This will be my last thoughts on the matter, at the risk of going OT.
 
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