Shenyang next gen combat aircraft thread

[AndrewJ]

Something like this:

there are NO folding V tail

Is that a V tail in the pic?

Sorry I'm late, but have we confirmed there are NO? How?

 

[plawolf]

Seems more likely that the ‘tail’ is just an optical illusion caused why the flaps deployed creating a gap and the illusion of a tail.

 

[InsaneHum]

Is that a V tail in the pic?

Sorry I'm late, but have we confirmed there are NO? How?

Nothing is confirmed but likely no folding tails.

 

[Nx4eu]

Based on the image we've seen of the underside of the supposed aircraft, we can see it has large control surfaces but not an outline for a moving V-tail, and this makes complete sense. From the paper posted by78 previously, it shows that all moving wingtips cause undeniable strain and fluttering of the wings. a large V-tail that cuts into the wing would weaken the wing structure severely. A folding V-tail would also bring unnecessary complexity and as the 'J-36' demonstrates, China is fully capable of making completely tailless aircraft designs, so why would Shenyang compromise.

Based on these, it's highly likely, no almost certain that this Shenyang aircraft does not feature folding tail surfaces.

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on the fluttering characteristics of wings with all-moving wingtips.

 

[Nx4eu]

Yes, you said an unmanned version of „this“ would go on the 076 but even this is far out of what can be concludes yet. If the one we saw so far is the manned one (which I think), we haven‘t seen the unmanned one yet … but to jump this not yet seen one will go onto the 076 is just guessing even more so since there are more likely options that will go to it before.

My point is not always jumping on any theoretical „maybe-hopefully whatever“ and stick to the few facts we have.

By the way, at the Secret-Projects-Forum there was thsi image posted claiming it would be from an SAC patent? Does anyone know the full patent if it indeed is from SAC?

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I don't where that patent is from but if the top bump is a cockpit, I can't imagine the pilot is able to see anything. It appears to have as much visibility as a cr450 cockpit.

 

[Tomboy]

Based on the image we've seen of the unders of the supposed aircraft, we can see it has large control surfaces but not an outline for a moving V-tail, and this makes complete sense. From the paper posted by78 previously, it shows that all moving wingtips cause undeniable strain and fluttering of the wings. a large V-tail that cuts into the wing would weaken the wing structure severely. A folding V-tail would also bring unnecessary complexity and as the 'J-36' demonstrates, China is fully capable of making completely tailless aircraft designs, so why would Shenyang compromise.

Based on these, it's highly likely, no almost certain that this Shenyang aircraft does not feature folding tail surfaces.
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I still have my doubts on if this is truly the same bird we saw with the J-16 as chase plane

 

[Nx4eu]

I still have my doubts on if this is truly the same bird we saw with the J-16 as chase plane

I'm pretty sure it isn't the same. just because such a patent exists does not link it to whatever took flight, as we've seen with folding tails, there were many patents, yet we have yet to see any of them come to fruition. The overall shape and design seems to be optimized for speed.

The model to me nearly appears similar to be like a hypersonic glide vehicle especially with the well blended chine structure. It has the bare minimum of what could possibly pass as a cockpit bump. Of course it's not an HGV because clearly is attached to a plane afterwards but I think it could initiate some day dreaming.

 

[Nx4eu]

I'm pretty sure it isn't the same. just because such a patent exists does not link it to whatever took flight, as we've seen with folding tails, there were many patents, yet we have yet to see any of them come to fruition. The overall shape and design seems to be optimized for speed.

The model to me nearly appears similar to be like a hypersonic glide vehicle especially with the well blended chine structure. It has the bare minimum of what could possibly pass as a cockpit bump. Of course it's not an HGV because clearly is attached to a plane afterwards but I think it could initiate some day dreaming.
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Sprinkle in the fact that this guy is the chief designer at SAC and see what he talks about.. Speed.

The one aspect of aerial warfare that Chief Designer Wang emphasized and effectively described as all important, after more or less characterizing VLO as a standard feature moving forward, was speed.

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Between Chief Designer Wang's emphasis on speed, and photos of the canceled, albeit almost legendary XB-70 Valkyrie and the experimental Bristol Type 188, guessing SAC likely got something hypersonic or close to it in the works . . .

This is starting to drift off topic because I don't believe any of this is related to the flying article that was seen in December, but I don't know where else to post such speculation.

 

[Nevermore]

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The model in this video has a very high degree of reconstruction, but there are still some issues with the air intake. Some people now believe that the real aircraft may have a Caret intake instead of a DSI intake

 

[manatee988]

Makes no sense. The whole point of the tailless design was stealth why would they use a caret style intake?