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But, they have a gazillion-strong nominal GDP, majestic standards of living, etc, and they could magically generate 500 new bridges like this one if they wanted, it doesn't matter. They are always the best.

But, they are DeMoCrAcY and have FrEedOm, so they must follow all the rights of "voting", procedures, and environmental studies, first, so it will take some time. It doesn't matter that the indirect economic damage is $15 million per day and 8000 jobs.

That's why they also didn't renew this bridge in 50 years. And this is why they can't clear out this wreckage in 50 days already. Because this is true infrastructure, not the paper one like in Chyna, it is harder to replace.

No, let's stop joking, realistically, imagine this humiliation happening in China, you would have those "intellectuals" at Brookings, and Hoover, already using it as an example of a corrupt state and inefficient regime, and those double-digit IQ channels like Serpentza making a dozen YouTube videos with brain-dead thumbnails.

Whereas China would have already removed the wreckage in 48 hours and started building a new bridge in a week, built it by 2025 probably, and paid it hundreds of times cheaper, due to way more developed construction and industrial sectors.

Or China simply wouldn't have allowed that ancient kind of bridge to operate for 50 years, in the first place and would've renovated it already 20 times by now (or enforced it enough so it wouldn't collapse from one ship colliding with it, as it is one of the most important national bridges).
 
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This. I made a post recently about NATO shifting to the Pacific just a few days ago and we can see it now. No matter what China does or doesn't do NATO will find an excuse to shift towards the Pacific. I also stated the US knows that it won't be able to confront China alone and that time is not on its side so it will forge voltron alliances to confront China. Honestly, the west will rather the entire world burn than share the world with a non white power. Colonialism is just too much in their DNA, they want to dominate everybody. Terrifying.


NATO can't even do anything about Houthis (not to mention Russia), not to mention distant China, with their current capabilities.

The most they can do some bullshit statements, such as this one, or sign some useless "strategic" documents, but in practical terms, they can't do anything.

NATO Western European 20 countries, tried to attack Houthis a few months ago, but all of them got packed back by Houthis and embarrassed hard,

With the exception of the UK, which alongside the US, still has some warships stationed. Other countries got bloody noses and ran back.

Their warships simply started collapsing on their own, due to rotting, old age, lack of repair capacity, or colliding with one another and getting damaged in that way.
 

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This. I made a post recently about NATO shifting to the Pacific just a few days ago and we can see it now. No matter what China does or doesn't do NATO will find an excuse to shift towards the Pacific.
Unless the Russian is defeat NATO will remain in Europe, let's say you're right then why did the American form so many acronyms like AUKUS and QUAD to contain China?
I also stated the US knows that it won't be able to confront China alone and that time is not on its side so it will forge voltron alliances to confront China. Honestly, the west will rather the entire world burn than share the world with a non white power. Colonialism is just too much in their DNA, they want to dominate everybody. Terrifying.
Time is on China side and the American knows it, what the American are doing is to stitch together her vassals and form a bloc, they want to salvage what they can to maintain a credible empire.

And You know what bro, Africa had a chance to break free unlike SK, JAPAN, The EU, Australia and the Philippine. The reason is that the continent is not fully intertwined with the collective west financial system, you had an alternative to choose unlike those countries I mention which is beholden to the empire for their survival.
 

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This. I made a post recently about NATO shifting to the Pacific just a few days ago and we can see it now. No matter what China does or doesn't do NATO will find an excuse to shift towards the Pacific. I also stated the US knows that it won't be able to confront China alone and that time is not on its side so it will forge voltron alliances to confront China. Honestly, the west will rather the entire world burn than share the world with a non white power. Colonialism is just too much in their DNA, they want to dominate everybody. Terrifying.


We cannot take this seriously.

We simply cannot.

Nothing is survivable in a shooting war within the first island chain, all surface combatants will be sunk by PLAAF or Second Artillery.

This is just empty words from NATO without any meaning.

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That was why that Pelosi visit was so important. It allowed China to demonstrate capabilities, that no one can really handle.

That is why those Filipinos, a treaty ally of the United States, gets water cannoned at will. Where is NATO? Where is the US Navy?

They do not want a crisis within the first island chain.

Heck, they could not handle the Houthis, and they will take on all of the Chinese coast.

The entire area within the first island chain is the kill zone, all of it. Venture in there in a shooting war, they are going to die, they are dead. You cannot fight when you are dead. Someone knows this.

That is why the US Navy keeps its distance, and the Filipinos gets water cannoned at will.

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NATO can't even do anything about Houthis (not to mention Russia), not to mention distant China, with their current capabilities.

The most they can do some bullshit statements, such as this one, or sign some useless "strategic" documents, but in practical terms, they can't do anything.

NATO Western European 20 countries, tried to attack Houthis a few months ago, but all of them got packed back by Houthis and embarrassed hard,

With the exception of the UK, which alongside the US, still has some warships stationed. Other countries got bloody noses and ran back.

Their warships simply started collapsing on their own, due to rotting, old age, lack of repair capacity, or colliding with one another and getting damaged in that way.
The plan is to create a pacific NATO and all the pieces are coming together. NATO will fuse with AUKUS, QUAD, SQUAD, etc and create a "defensive" alliance in the pacific. The US will continue trying to get ASEAN into this alliance as well. The ultimate aim is deterrence not getting into a shooting war, the US wants China to bend the knee.
 

Serb

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The plan is to create a pacific NATO and all the pieces are coming together. NATO will fuse with AUKUS, QUAD, SQUAD, etc and create a "defensive" alliance in the pacific. The US will continue trying to get ASEAN into this alliance as well. The ultimate aim is deterrence not getting into a shooting war, the US wants China to bend the knee.


That could be it, but I'm failing to see the significance of that as the US already has a defense treaty with the rest of AUKUS, Japan, the Philippines, South Korea, etc.

Forming that into a single organization now could be nothing more than theatrics and would be seen very negatively and warily in the region.

Not to mention bringing the European NATO in, who could not help much tangibly/militarily the US, but would decimate their image and perception in the region to the lowest possible level. If you follow the ASEAN, they are against forming regional blocks as much as possible.

Also, China is ASEAN's biggest trade partner, investor, infrastructure provider, and technology transfer source - with some exceptions like the Philippines who choose to confront China.

At this point, it is not a question of whether the ASEAN will join the US against China, but whether ASEAN will allow the US to attack China and further escalate the situation in the region without a response from them.

They are also certain to officially deny and close their air spaces and territorial waters to the US Navy in the case that the US goes to invade China or tries to disrupt regional shipping, might even employ asymmetrical warfare against them just like Houthis, but much more effective.

It is just that in this case it will be probably China who is going to direct this with intel and missiles/drones, instead of Iran in the case of Houthis.



THE MYTHS IN WESTERN MEDIA ABOUT BLOCKADE OF STRAITS OF MALACCA BY AUKUS OR QUAD DURING A CONFRONTATION WITH CHINA.

As was obvious during ASEAN - Australia Special Summit held in Melbourne from 4 -6 March 2024 where Australia who is a member of QUAD and AUKUS acting as an agent of the US was trying to lead ASEAN leaders into condemning China by mentioning what the Philippine was doing to provoke China in the contested water of South China Sea.

So, what was ASEAN ministers’ reaction? 1) Malaysia wanted to discuss about condemning Israeli’s action in the Gaza Genocide. Australia was not willing to discuss it as it will be contrary to the instructions it has received from the US. So, they reach a compromise and call for a ceasefire and more humanitarian support. [Take note that PM Albanese changed his position on 3 Apr 2024 when an Australian aid worker Zomi Frankcom working for World Central Kitchen was murdered by Israeli drone strike. From this exchange it is obvious that Albanese does not consider Palestinians to be human and worthy of protection. The deaths of 30,000 Palestinians at the hand of the Israeli is nothing but the death of 1 Australian is an outrage.]

2) Australia wanted ASEAN to condemn China for its actions to defend its sovereignty when provoked by Philippines Coast Guards or fishing vessels in front of Bong Bong but ASEAN ministers expected this and instead called for “all countries to avoid any unilateral actions that endanger peace, security and stability in the region”. So, China was not named in this statement which is not what Australia wanted as it was instructed by the US to get ASEAN to specifically condemn China.

3) The Australian dared not mention AUKUS (US, UK & Australia) Security Pact to contain China as they know that any militarization and proliferation of nuclear weapons are frown upon by ASEAN as ASEAN wants Asia to be a region of peace. Anyway the earlier part about condemning China did not went well so asking ASEAN to endorse AUKUS will likely lead to more rejections.

4) Australia mentioned the QUAD (US, Australia, Japan & India) in passing with regards to Vaccine Partnership and not as an alliance to contain China as they need to package the QUAD in a benign manner.

So, from the above we can say that ASEAN has a mind of its own and will not take sides in any US – China conflicts. ASEAN will not allow the region to be militarized by foreign forces as ASEAN is one of the fastest growing regions in the world and it can only come about through trade that is brought about by peace and stability in the region. ASEAN is part of the largest free trade zone in the world the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP) comprising of ASEAN, Australia, Japan, S Korea that is anchored by China – one of the fastest growing major economies in the world which contributes 30% of world GDP growth in 2023.

With regards to closing of the Straits of Malacca by QUAD, AUKUS or any funny acronym alliances in times of conflict with China – ASEAN will not allow it as the Straits of Malacca is a major artery of world trade as 40% of world trade passes though it, and closing it will have severe impact on world economy and on ASEAN itself. If any acronym alliances were to use military force to close the Straits of Malacca, then it will become an enemy of ASEAN – ASEAN will then partner with China by opening its naval ports and airports to Chinese destroyers, drones and jet fighters to ensure Freedom of Navigation in the Straits of Malacca via joint patrol.



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