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[In4ser]

I think people need to think about the other side of the equation. Shanghai is more of an international city, so yes there is a tendency to be more globalist and therefore more "pro-Western."

However, it also acts as an ideal gateway city for foreigners to travel to and adjust to living, doing business, and seeing the country for the first time. Chongqing or Beijing tends to be "more Chinese" and has more of a learning curve for backpackers or businessmen to than HK or Shanghai.

 

[manqiangrexue]

How do I feel save if I can’t even get food?

You should feel dead if you can't even get food... much deader than a person with the spare energy to make up lies for the CIA online. And yet, the CCP wasted food and effort delivering sustenance to keep a hanjian like you alive. What a shame. It would have been much better if they did what you said they did and left you a corpse from starvation.

Or once supplies do arrive, I have to bribe my neighborhood committee to just get a bite?

Seems like a personal problem; nobody else I know had the issue, but hearing you talk, I wouldn't give you food either. Everyone could be throwing up from overeating and it still wouldn't be a hanjian's turn to get food. And you couldn't bribe me with anything either.

Or my entire family forced into a concentration camp simply because my neighbor is sick?

Better than them spreading the plague outside. If your family broke quarantine and caused many other families to die, what should they do to you when they find you?

How would you feel if someone dress up like a klansman, kill your dog, and forcefully drag your entire family into a quarantine camp?

No force or dragging would be necessary; if we may have been exposed, we follow the rules and we go to protect society. We're real patriots. If yours had to be dragged, then patriots they are not.

I am assure you that you will stop being a pinkie once 社会的主义铁拳 teaches you a hard lesson, and you will realise that you have been nothing other than a 韭菜 waiting to be harvested by 赵家人.

You are "assure" of nothing with your broken English and peppered Chinese. My family fought in the Korean war. They suffered injury and starvation and never did anything but fight on against China's enemies. A low life hanjian like you "assures" yourself because you cannot even imagine how real men (and women, as my grandmother went to the front lines of war as a military doctor) handle hardship and shine through it. You think we all curse and crumble like your pathetic low quality soul the instance you didn't get your useless belly fed. People like us teach garbage like you hard lessons; we learned ours from life and those hard lessons taught us to be true patriots.

 

[PeoplesPoster]

lol at the people here saying Xi should do something about Shanghai when Xi was the party secretary of Shanghai and supported its business model and ascendency as a financial capital. What’s he going to do, purge himself?

 

[horse]

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[FriedRiceNSpice]

How do you justify that if one person were infected, the entire floor would be forcefully relocated to quarantine camps? Or when you order deliveries, the security guard would throw them away, forcing you to buy food and vegetables from neighborhood committees what often overcharge so they themselves could profit off the deliveries? And if you have a pet and live on the same floor as someone who got infected, your pet would be brutally executed whilst you get sent to the camps? This was not a war footing like the siege of Leningrad. It was an overreaction to a new strand of virus that could not have been stopped in the first place. The surge from November 2022 to February 2023 proved that point. The whole 2022 lockdown was pointless to began with. It only let to power abuses that made my relatives in Shanghai who still hold grudges against the security guards and the neighborhood committee. They are still patriots, but they can never forgive the people who starved them, forced them to purchase hyper expensive vegetables, and sent their neighbours to quarantine camps (where the sewers simply did not work and forced everyone to sleep in jail like conditions) in Pudong for more than a month in. The whole drama was a farce to begin with. Who’s fault was it? The man at the very top who wanted a perfectly smooth transition to his third term and wrongly judged that defeating Omicron could be another one of his achievements. He did get his third term, but the whole Omicron lockdown drama rightly got him back with his pants down by November. When protesters in Shanghai finally shouted “Xi step down, CPC step down” during the November protests, they meant to vent all their anger and pain suffered just to so that the bear with a very little brain could have superficial 面子 for his political transition. When the iron fist of the CCP strikes you hard, you cease to be a little pinky. People are citizens and should be treated as so, not 韭菜 to be wasted for privileged folks.

First of all, I want to point out that it is hugely disrespectful to victims of actual concentration camps to characterize quarantine hospitals as concentration camps. While I believe that there was definitely some room for improvement in the implementation of the policy, I believe the policy was based on sound premises and foundations. It's easy to look back now and criticize aspects of the policy, but hindsight is 20/20. I think everybody here would agree that the government made the right decision to implement lockdown in response to the original strain of the virus. And when Omicron initially emerged, it was unknown as to exactly what degree the new strain differed from the original strain in terms of mortality and infectiousness. So I believe that an initial effort to contain the new variant until more conclusive data can be gathered and for a greater proportion of the population to become vaccinated was a sound decision. To otherwise would be gambling with the lives of 1.4 billion people. From the reopening, we can see how fast the virus could spread if left unchecked, and if Omicron had the same lethality as the original strain and if vaccination rates had not been as high, tens of millions of fatalities would have occurred. You mention abuses of power and profiteering, but it would be unfair to blame the government for the actions of individuals that happen to be shitty human beings. Shitty people doing shitty things is an unfortunate reality that occurs throughout the world. The government did launch a massive corruption investigation last year aimed at the healthcare industry to hold accountable those involved in corruption at the institutional level during the pandemic. And while I myself was outraged when hearing some of the incidents which have occurred in Shanghai, these were for the most part isolated incidents and did not reflect the experience of the overwhelming majority of Shanghai residents. From the countless friends and family members that I spoke with that were living in Shanghai at the time, I did not hear of a single complaint of someone not having adequate food. At worst, food became a little more expensive and the vegetables were not as fresh. I'm just glad they didn't go through the experience of many of my friends and colleagues in New York of having to go out and try to obtain groceries and toilet paper in the early days of the pandemic in New York, where the sound of ambulances continued 24/7 and when you would see multiple ambulances parked at each block, all the while hoping that your limited and diminishing stock of masks would not run out.

 

[MortyandRick]

Yup they do! Not all of them, but a lot of them will proudly tell you that Shanghai was "the biggest urban metropolis in the Far East" before Mao and the Japanese ruined everything. Having said that, Shanghainese with nostalgia for KMT hates Mao, but they also hate the Japanese for putting an end to the supposed golden age of 1927-1937 (the Republican Decade). On the other hand, they tend to see the British, French, and Americans as "advanced people" making Shanghai prosperous and rich.

I like how this group of folks try really hard to resolve social tensions within China. The video they made about Shanghai is quite encouraging and provides an optimistic tone. Nonetheless, the 奶奶 at 2:26 hits the main point of what we are arguing about. Shanghainese sees Europe and America as "advanced and developed nations" worth learning from. That's a very rational way of describing the attitude.

That's a lie

No they don't. I have relatives in Shanghai, and speak to them often. Very few people think that way, especially about pre WW2 Shanghai or China. Where do you get your source and info?

1920-1937 golden age?!?? Wtf bull sh*t are you talking about?

 

[horse]

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I am posting this article, because for a change of pace, it is a fairly level headed article. Unlike what we have been looking at the majority of the time when it pertains to China, those articles seem to be off the rails, derailed and demented like a Biden.

The author of the article, kind of suggests that the Chinese like diplomacy, and might actually good at that.

 

[Chevalier]

If you look at coast vs heartland in the US there is a huge divide too. I think Xi actually has bias and blind spot due to his interactions in Iowa with the heartland demographic which is actually much easier to understand ("MAGA communism") for someone who grew up in China's system than coastal liberalism.

Stereotypically salt of the earth midwestern Americans have a completely different values sytem to the snake like jared kushner/matt pottinger/gallagher types of the north east and california. Then and again, Pompeo came from Kansas so make of that what you will.

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Guess India's gonna have to hold off on stealing Tesla profits and arresting Tesla executives in India. Oh wait, maybe it'll be different because Musk is white and Jai Hind types are cowards who dare not upset white westerners.

 

[Randomuser]

Stereotypically salt of the earth midwestern Americans have a completely different values sytem to the snake like jared kushner/matt pottinger/gallagher types of the north east and california. Then and again, Pompeo came from Kansas so make of that what you will.

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Guess India's gonna have to hold off on stealing Tesla profits and arresting Tesla executives in India. Oh wait, maybe it'll be different because Musk is white and Jai Hind types are cowards who dare not upset white westerners.

Neoliberalism believes any country is interchangeable regardless of cultural, ability, environment etc differences.

We had Japan, then Korea, then Taiwan and then China. So surely we can now have then India right?

Can you see one country seems odd one out in the list and why this assumption doesn't really work?

They seemed to missed out all the hyped countries that got stuck in the middle income trap like South America for some reason.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

I think people need to think about the other side of the equation. Shanghai is more of an international city, so yes there is a tendency to be more globalist and therefore more "pro-Western."

However, it also acts as an ideal gateway city for foreigners to travel to and adjust to living, doing business, and seeing the country for the first time. Chongqing or Beijing tends to be "more Chinese" and has more of a learning curve for backpackers or businessmen to than HK or Shanghai.

Guess it's kind of like how New York, Seattle and LA is seen as more familiar to global travelers than "all American" cities like Birmingham, Kansas City or Des Moines.