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emblem21 said:
The UK must be in some serious trouble if they are making stupid statements like this think China will flip the lid and send destroyers to the UK. Really, just what threat does the UK present given that they are not only a spent force (even more so after all the aid they sent to Ukraine with almost no returns) but also an extremely incompetently lead one that quite frankly will be done away with over time once the economy fully collapses in the coming days. The longer that Indian fool runs the UK, the quicker the UK ends up tearing itself apart given how most of its institutions are in strike right now
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The UK is controlled by people who put the interests of virtually every country before the UK. Poland, America, India, Israel, all are more important to the people in power than the country they are supposed to be ruling.

Sunak is the incarnation of the newest ethnic tribe to wield influence over British foreign policy.
 
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emblem21 said:
The longer that Indian fool runs the UK, the quicker the UK ends up tearing itself apart given how most of its institutions are in strike right now
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Sunak is the incarnation of the newest ethnic tribe to wield influence over British foreign policy.
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Notwithstanding that neither of you have noticed that this is coming from a parliamentary select committee rather than the British government, you both have clearly not been reading what the political opposition in the UK have been saying. Sunak may not be a Cameron but the foreign secretary he appointed is by most measures a moderate (and is catching flak in the media for his relatively nuanced engagement with China) that isn't trying to chase some headlines and score points

If you think things are bad now, I'm sure you'll love it in 2025 when the British equivalent of Baerbock, David Lammy, is the one that China has to deal with. The "golden era" is over but at the high level, the current government has not been particularly antagonistic beyond some carefully chosen words. That is almost guaranteed to change for the worse when they're out
 
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99PLAAFBalloons said:
Notwithstanding that neither of you have noticed that this is coming from a parliamentary select committee rather than the British government, you both have clearly not been reading what the political opposition in the UK have been saying. Sunak may not be a Cameron but the foreign secretary he appointed is by most measures a moderate (and is catching flak in the media for his relatively nuanced engagement with China) that isn't trying to chase some headlines and score points

If you think things are bad now, I'm sure you'll love it in 2025 when the British equivalent of Baerbock, David Lammy, is the one that China has to deal with. The "golden era" is over but at the high level, the current government has not been particularly antagonistic beyond some carefully chosen words. That is almost guaranteed to change for the worse when they're out
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Doesn’t really matter what moderate voice there are in the UK right now, it simply means nothing compared to the ocean of hate that the rest of the leadership has for China in general even if they don’t say it. Even if a more hawkish equivalent comes into power in 2025, by that point things will have deteriorated so much in the UK that these people will likely beg China for help rather than defying China. So I don’t really care if more of these Baerbocks come into office in The future because these brain dead people will help to drive the UK and the EU further into the toilet with their woke and crazy agendas of sucking up to Washington above all else. In fact, once things truly go south, expect these people to be the scapegoats that they people will eventually hang when The time is right. Btw, Cameron is the idiot that started the whole Brexit mess that sent the whole of the UK into a downward spiral so really none of the leaders in the UK really seem to have the faintest clue of wtf they are doing so really China doesn’t really need to think too much about the UK except making those colonial b@st@rds give China’s treasure back will keeping those silly HK rioter b@st@rds in the UK to experience the freedom of existing in a future pigsty
 
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emblem21 said:
Doesn’t really matter what moderate voice there are in the UK right now, it simply means nothing compared to the ocean of hate that the rest of the leadership has for China in general even if they don’t say it.
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The leadership (what is this in reference to? Rishi's cabinet? Rishi's party? Rishi's patrons?) that hasn't done anything of note whilst having the political power to do so? Anti-China actions are popular in parliament and public opinion here so it's not like they lack the support for it, and yet there is no deluge of antagonistic policies
emblem21 said:
Even if a more hawkish equivalent comes into power in 2025, by that point things will have deteriorated so much in the UK that these people will likely beg China for help rather than defying China. So I don’t really care if more of these Baerbocks come into office in The future because these brain dead people will help to drive the UK and the EU further into the toilet with their woke and crazy agendas of sucking up to Washington above all else
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I don't disagree that the UK and Europe are blissfully blind of the one-sidedness of their support for the US, but you should probably have a rethink if you truly believe the end result will be a public that suddenly overcomes years of political and media conditioning. This is a country where the gammons dine on Churchillian "We WiLl FiGhT tHeM oN tHe BeAcHeS" speeches whilst the politically active young believe in the importance of gestures even at their own expense

The Ukrainian conflict is an excellent example of this dynamic - we continue to have one of the highest inflation rates in the West that is killing the quality of life here. Has this lessened the public's support for Ukraine? Is there a push for a quick resolution to the conflict? No

In an age of populism, China has more to gain from Western governments that aren't going to listen to what is popular because what is popular is Anti-China and will continue to be for the foreseeable future. Macron is deeply disliked in his own country, yet he has continued to be of moderate use for China's interests. Keeping the UK's neoliberal tendencies alive through the politicians is what allows China to extract the most from the two country's relations (quality higher education spots to train Chinese students who overwhelmingly go back to China, a decent consumer market that doesn't naturally buy American for prestige etc.). You will never be able to split the UK away from the US but you can pacify and make money from it
emblem21 said:
Btw, Cameron is the idiot that started the whole Brexit mess that sent the whole of the UK into a downward spiral so really none of the leaders in the UK really seem to have the faintest clue of wtf they are doing
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Cameron's referendum was a consequence of internal politics (the referendum was the way to stave off UKIP's rising popularity and splintering of the right-wing vote), and with a referendum, it was the public that by majority vote chose to junk this country's future. He knew the risks but there was no future for him without one. It's the British public who don't have the faintest clue of wtf they are doing
 
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99PLAAFBalloons said:
The leadership (what is this in reference to? Rishi's cabinet? Rishi's party? Rishi's patrons?) that hasn't done anything of note whilst having the political power to do so? Anti-China actions are popular in parliament and public opinion here so it's not like they lack the support for it, and yet there is no deluge of antagonistic policies

I don't disagree that the UK and Europe are blissfully blind of the one-sidedness of their support for the US, but you should probably have a rethink if you truly believe the end result will be a public that suddenly overcomes years of political and media conditioning. This is a country where the gammons dine on Churchillian "We WiLl FiGhT tHeM oN tHe BeAcHeS" speeches whilst the politically active young believe in the importance of gestures even at their own expense

The Ukrainian conflict is an excellent example of this dynamic - we continue to have one of the highest inflation rates in the West that is killing the quality of life here. Has this lessened the public's support for Ukraine? Is there a push for a quick resolution to the conflict? No

In an age of populism, China has more to gain from Western governments that aren't going to listen to what is popular because what is popular is Anti-China and will continue to be for the foreseeable future. Macron is deeply disliked in his own country, yet he has continued to be of moderate use for China's interests. Keeping the UK's neoliberal tendencies alive through the politicians is what allows China to extract the most from the two country's relations (quality higher education spots to train Chinese students who overwhelmingly go back to China, a decent consumer market that doesn't naturally buy American for prestige etc.). You will never be able to split the UK away from the US but you can pacify and make money from it

Cameron's referendum was a consequence of internal politics (the referendum was the way to stave off UKIP's rising popularity and splintering of the right-wing vote), and with a referendum, it was the public that by majority vote chose to junk this country's future. He knew the risks but there was no future for him without one. It's the British public who don't have the faintest clue of wtf they are doing
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It's called HUBRIS the British people have been swallowing too much of their supposed British exceptionalism to the point that some were beginning to view their empire days as great for the world, notwithstanding the untold sufferings they unleashed to the many indigenous peolples of the countries they violently colonized and brutalized. It is in my opinion one of the main rationale used by the Brexiteers as they were showering the crusty old folks about "GLOBAL BRITAIN" when the lying politicians know that ship has sailed decades ago and will never rise again.

The British people have been cuddled for far too long and have been told things they want to hear that their mind and body have atrophied from all the lies they loved to sooth themselves over with. China is being used as the whipping boy, a bogeyman for what ills their society, country when the very reasons are that they have only themselves to blame.
 
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