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Eventine

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I am bored today so I will entertain you @Eventine . This is major Chinese economic partners vs NATO + American puppets. Notice I did not include African parts under Chinese economic influence. Also notice Ukraine is not included for war may shift its territory size and allegiance.

land size of blue: 33.37

NATO: 24.93 million km²
South Korea: 0.10
Japan: 0.38
Australia: 7.69
New Zealand: 0.27

land size of red: 44.30

China: 9.71
Mongolia: 1.56
CSTO: 20.40
Syria: 0.19
Iran: 1.65
Saudi Arabia: 2.15
North Korea: 0.12
Brazil: 8.52

fun fact: CSTO + China + Mongolia + Iran + North Korea is already above blue at 33.44.
fun fact 2: throwing in Mexico on blue is 35.33 only. However Mexico did not ban Huawei so the ability of US making Mexico to coordinate embargo is questionable.
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Since when were Brazil, Saudi Arabia, and CSTO outside of Russia, allies of China? Do you really think any of these countries will join with China in an attack on Taiwan, or will help China if it were attacked by the West? Do you really believe they wouldn't maintain neutrality?

If this is what you believe, it is no wonder you think the Western alliance is weak. But it is a purely delusional form of optimism. I can promise you and you can quote me later on it - none of those countries will help China in a real fight.

The only countries that China can count on - and this is mainly because they are enemies of the West, as much as China is - are Russia, Iran, North Korea, and Syria. Even then there's no alliance treaty between them, the way there is between the US and the members of the Western alliance.

But at least we can trust that Russia, Iran, North Korea, and Syria will join an exclusive, China-led trade order because they are all under massive Western sanctions, and so have no choice. You may be able to add Cuba to that list, for the same reason.

The rest of the countries on your list will claim neutrality in an actual conflict between the Western alliance and China, pretty much guaranteed.
 
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gpt said:
US warns of 'foreign intelligence threat' to space industry

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So SpaceX is the modern day East India Company, soon to be private space army to colonize space just like EIC colonized the world.
Does China have private space companies like SpaceX?
 
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Eventine said:
Kazakhstan is in military alliance with Russia? Then what military aid have they sent to Russia? What equipment have they donated, what support have they provided, what sanctions have they violated for the sake of Russia?

Hungary is sympathetic to Russia, sure, and one could argue its membership in the Western alliance is merely symbolic. But it's still doing the minimum warranted by its alliance treaty. By contrast, Kazakhstan hasn't done a thing for Russia.
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You ignore that part of my response where i mentioned Arabs can force countries. things does not need to go straight nor countries need to reveal things. There domestic media can create false impressions. Russia has very deep appreciation for even the smallest of Gulf Arab state thats why you see that picture of Bahrani musician.

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Eventine said:
The only countries that China can count on - and this is mainly because they are enemies of the West, as much as China is - are Russia, Iran, North Korea, and Syria. Even then there's no alliance treaty between them, the way there is between the US and the members of the Western alliance.
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Just want to correct you on one thing, China does have a military alliance with North Korea, they have a NATO style article 2 defence treaty, it declares the two nations undertake all necessary measures to oppose any country or coalition of countries that might attack either nation, so since North Korea acknowledged that taiwan is part of China, so in theory any war between the US and China over taiwan, North Korea is treaty bound to provide military assistance to China.

So i don't believe for a second that Japan and South Korea will fight China directly over taiwan, sending arms possibly but fight directly no, unless if they want to fight a two front war against North Korea
 
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