Attitude to Sports In China

[bladerunner]

One must remember that sports in China is very much State driven like those of the past eastern communist bloc eg East Germany, take that away and Chinas Olympic success, would decidedly be a lot more modest.
With a population of 23 million Taiwans Olympic performance is also rather disappointing when compared with similar sized counties in GDP and population.
IMO Asians are not that interested in competitive sport to support this contention
Im going to digress a little bit but I hope I'm not infringing forum regulations by what I'm going to talk about.

As Asians migrate to sports mad NZ. Australia, they have encountered difficulties in gaining acceptance by the resident population. On sports talkback radio programns it has been suggested that Asians would find it easier to assimilate and gain acceptance if they played more sport or even made the countries national teams.
Unfortunately this would be a long time coming, my wife a school teacher has taught in schools sited in areas with a high affluent Asian population,eg. Westlake Boys and Girls ,Rangitoto College( directed to a few of the younger forum members who indicated they lived in Akld NZ and went to these schools) to name a few, and has noted the lack of participation in sports by people of a Asian background.
Recently there was a backlash against Indians in Melbourne.now if some of those Indians went on to produce children who could distinguish themselves in the Australian national game of cricket, the situation could be totally different.
What are the levels of participation in sport in USA and Canada UK etc.?

 

[bladerunner]

Apologies to any Asians who felt I was being a bit too critical and failing to take into account, there are many sporting activities that Asians participate in that are not well known in the West.

 

[pla101prc]

in most cases Chinese ppl (or Asians in general) are good at sports that involve more skills then phyiscal fitness. you have sports like ping-pong and badminton where you really need some mad skillz to have any place in the tournament, and then there is track and field where black ppl would kill anyone with one hand tied behind their back. (many american athletes were "bought" from Jamaica and other countries). then there is swimming where you rarely see a black person winning any sort of title, and some asians once in a while, but it is still a white-dominated sport (there are also other reasons like african countries cant afford the cost of training and maintanence. hippies around me like to criticize me for being racist but i say this is the way it is so suck it up.
as for the olympics its all about how much money you are able to throw into that thing. China and the US can afford to spend more money then others that's why they dominate in olympics medal tally. that is also why they say the olympics is a reflection of your country's overall strength.

 

[bladerunner]

I don't think there is any government involvement financially with American participation in the Olympics 1??
Soccer football requires a great deal of skill

 

[pla101prc]

I don't think there is any government involvement financially with American participation in the Olympics 1??
Soccer football requires a great deal of skill

think of it as the difference between command economy and market economy lol, it doesnt have to be the government that's doing the spending. look at Canada, why do we suck at olympics? because no one is willing to spend the money. this world is all about money i know its hard to admit that but that's how it is, it all comes down to $$.

football is a whole different story for China, if you live in China you'll know. but again you see that asians dont do as well as the Europeans and South Americans in this stuff, meanwhile African teams seem to improve much faster than Asian teams even good ones like Japan. so there is a race factor in that as well.

 

[bladerunner]

football is a whole different story for China, if you live in China you'll know. but again you see that asians dont do as well as the Europeans and South Americans in this stuff, meanwhile African teams seem to improve much faster than Asian teams even good ones like Japan. so there is a race factor in that as well.

Im inclined to think it was cultural rather than physical attributes for the lack of success in soccer

 

[Propagandalass]

Physical attributes do play a role as not everyone is a Liu Xiang (for instance, the person with the highest IQ is male, but the IQ average of females are still higher).

But with football the teamwork and reflex factors should make it plausible, SK and Japan were good football players. I think China isn't very successful simply hasn't gotten into it, possibly due to lack of success which again cycles.

 

[AssassinsMace]

I wouldn't resort in general associating race or ethnicity with sports having to do with anything. Many have been burned trying. The last big one I remember was someone tried to scientifically explain why whites are good at endurance track and field events while Africans were only good at sprinting events. Something about muscle tissue and "twitching." Then Kenyans started winning marathons.

I come across every now and then someone that will put-down Asians because there are no Asian NFL pro athletes. At least any good ones that weren't mixed race. It use to include baseball and basketball. And I'll say in response maybe if Asians start using steroids just like all of them we'll see one. Seriously, some people think Asians aren't good in sports because they don't see them, at least not many these days, in the professional sports they like. No, maybe it's because culturally they wouldn't be interested in that sport or maybe they're undiscovered. But people will always find a way to make one out to be less because frankly some people associate being good at sports with racial superiority. Bring up professional sports and steroids and all of the sudden it's out of bound discussion and is no reflection of amateur sports. There's no one test for all cheating methods. Each one requires its own test. So when the new cheating method is discovered they make a test. But by then a new cheating method is produced and the cheater has moved on without gettiing caught. Who has the money and the scientific superiority to create these new methods. Want to follow stereotypes? Can't be the Chinese... See what I mean by being burned. Now comes that sporting organizations are banking blood samples. So most new cheating methods might become an endangered species.

China has shown if you put money into it, you're going to get results. And government money vs corporate sponsors are no different. Now all of the sudden money plays a role. Why all the put downs of countries that don't produce winning athletes? Is that because no money or no athleticism? There was a time some pointed out, and sometimes still do, that the Chinese government rewards athletes that win medals which gives them incentive to win. Or back to communist sterotypes reward them with TVs and appliances... Are commercial endorsements not an incentive? Also I believe some Western governments give monetary rewards for their athletes who win medals too.

 

[pla101prc]

blade is right, there is a cultural thing in there too. football is wayyyy too complex compared to other sports. managing a football team is like managing a company. this stuff really takes time and effort. for China even if you give them the most talented young players in the world i'll tell you that team aint gonna win shit in a few years. its because the management sucks, you end up with low morale, ppl stop practicing and all that. if you watch enough football you'll know that every country or club has a distinct style,(some club changes players too often so its not very obvious) my favourite is Argentina lol...the reason they have distinct styles is because the ways each team was managed...its sorta like every individual firm would have its own culture, football teams have cultures too. i'd take football out of the equation because it really deserves a category of its own and also because i love it too much (watching not playing) to equate it with other inferior sports like hockey

I wouldn't resort in general associating race or ethnicity with sports having to do with anything. Many have been burned trying. The last big one I remember was someone tried to scientifically explain why whites are good at endurance track and field events while Africans were only good at sprinting events. Something about muscle tissue and "twitching." Then Kenyans started winning marathons.

I come across every now and then someone that will put-down Asians because there are no Asian NFL pro athletes. At least any good ones that weren't mixed race. It use to include baseball and basketball. And I'll say in response maybe if Asians start using steroids just like all of them we'll see one. Seriously, some people think Asians aren't good in sports because they don't see them, at least not many these days, in the professional sports they like. No, maybe it's because culturally they wouldn't be interested in that sport or maybe they're undiscovered. But people will always find a way to make one out to be less because frankly some people associate being good at sports with racial superiority. Bring up professional sports and steroids and all of the sudden it's out of bound discussion and is no reflection of amateur sports. There's no one test for all cheating methods. Each one requires its own test. So when the new cheating method is discovered they make a test. But by then a new cheating method is produced and the cheater has moved on without gettiing caught. Who has the money and the scientific superiority to create these new methods. Want to follow stereotypes? Can't be the Chinese... See what I mean by being burned. Now comes that sporting organizations are banking blood samples. So most new cheating methods might become an endangered species.

China has shown if you put money into it, you're going to get results. And government money vs corporate sponsors are no different. Now all of the sudden money plays a role. Why all the put downs of countries that don't produce winning athletes? Is that because no money or no athleticism? There was a time some pointed out, and sometimes still do, that the Chinese government rewards athletes that win medals which gives them incentive to win. Or back to communist sterotypes reward them with TVs and appliances... Are commercial endorsements not an incentive? Also I believe some Western governments give monetary rewards for their athletes who win medals too.

you are right, that was what i tried to say, a country's overall performance is decided by the amount of money it invests, which in turn is largely decided by the country's economic capacity. however the money investment stuff is for olympics, there are like a million different sports you can win a title in. i am pretty sure China put more money into track than the top five African teams combined yet they cant win shit in that category. so its not all about money in specific areas. overall its pretty well balanced, white ppl dominate swimming, black ppl dominate track, and Asians dominate events that require good skill and reflexes.

 

[Propagandalass]

China has done a lot of blunders earning its current incredibly negative image in general, also related to the dynamics of perception and environment. This includes sports, can't be helped

Everyone has stereotypes, a German comedian once said "every few minutes during a match, an Italian player gets severely injured or nearly killed. But at the end of the game all 11 are still there, how does the heck do they do that?"

As for the ethnic thing I agree you can't do it on an overly limited or overly large scale, but they do exist.