Jura The idiot
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wow I like Propaganda...
let me seeSo this is how liberty dies ...
...with thunderous applause
and let me tell you I'm with him:
and I'm not with your local representative of democracy...
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let me seeSo this is how liberty dies ...
...with thunderous applause
and let me tell you I'm with him:
Jura The idiot
General
Saturday at 2:30 PM
Several Turkish navy ships and commanders missing since coup attempt
Turkish navy ships still missing after botched coup
EDIT
OK could be a hoax but what if it wasn't
... it was nothing what I read back then when compared to (I noticed in Russian Internet first):
Several Turkish navy ships and commanders missing since coup attempt
Turkish navy ships still missing after botched coup
EDIT
OK could be a hoax but what if it wasn't
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kwaigonegin
Colonel
Very disturbing the purge of the despot Erdogan. Most are teachers.
Of course but not surprising!
This is classic playbook when a country trnasitions from semi secular to authoritarian.
You purge military commanders, you purge the justice system and then you purge academia!
You replace them with like minded folks or straight out abolish some institutions.
I called it a week ago when most people were still like WTH>??!
I'm predicting the Turkey we know in the 1990's and 2000s will not be the Turkey we know in the next decade and this event would be the catalyst!
Mark my words!
Haven't been following the forum closely lately. Are you pretty much saying this was the last gasp of the secular republican forces in Turkey? In that case I tend to agree.
Jura The idiot
General
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Exclusive: all the details about the air ops and aerial battle over Turkey during the military coup to depose Erdogan
kwaigonegin
Colonel
In short Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Turkey's military (especially) and much of society has been for the most part secular despite it being a Muslim country. A big part of that was because of Kemal Ataturk who while a Muslim was a moderate and transformed much of Turkey into a relatively secular state post Ottoman empire.
What is happening here is the undoing and reversal of many of these reforms set almost 100 yrs ago and quickly turning Turkey into a more Islamist type authoritarian state.
Like I said regardless of whether the coup was 'real' of if it was a false flag operation, Erdogan and the hard liners are the BIG winner here.
shen
Senior Member
My understanding is that most of the military did not take part int he coup attempt. The blame is attributed to the movement led by Fethullah Gulen, who is in exile in the USA and is also Islamist. The perception in Turkey is that Gulen is a CIA asset.
kwaigonegin
Colonel
Actually that is an incorrect implication. 'Islamist' denotes 'hardline fundementalist'. Gulen is a moderate. Erdogan is much more 'Islamist' then Gulen.
All the folks being 'purged' in Turkey now are moderate seculars for the most part.
shen
Senior Member
Both the Kemalist party and hard right party associated with Grey Wolf came out publicly against the coup. So the narrative of secularist vs Islamist coup just doesn't fit.
Gulen on the other hand was Erdogan's ally until 2013. He fled the US in 1999 after been accused by the then secular Turkish government of trying to set up an "Islamist' state in Turkey. That was years before Erdogan's AKP came to power.