US Navy DDG 1000 Zumwalt Class

Jeff Head

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FORBIN said:
A remark, new Otobreda 127/64 can do the job at same range and defininety much cheaper
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The AGS will end up being very capable at the anti-shipping role...bit it was desigend first for the fire support role for Marines and that is where the confusion is coming in. It was (IMHO) never intended to be exclusively that..

IMHO, the 127mm capability is good, but it simply does not have the hitting ppower that the 155mm munitions will have. They are simply bigger and when developed will bring more impact to the target.
Seems also don't have torpedo launch tubes.

FORBIN said:
MK 57 can use SM-2 but i presume carry in general only ESSM. Also SM-3 but Zumwalt actually can' t use this missile.

I see well in its 80 cell's with its primarily land attack mission : about : 50 CM, and 30 with VL Asroc/ ESSM for them about 2/3 of it 80 missiles.
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The Mk-57 will also launch the SM-6.

But, for ESSM, if they take 24 cells of the configuration you name, and dedicate those cells to ESSM, then they will have 96 missiles ready for AAW. With the ESSM being effective to medium ranges, all the way down to short ranges, that is a very good anti-air coverage.

And, if they really want it to be a AAW escort for an ARG, then dedicate 50 cells to AAW and 30 to land attack. Then you could have 30 standard missile shots and 80 ESSM for layered coverage.
 
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The Mk-57 will also launch the SM-6.
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Ofc, he do same size as Mk-41, can use same missiles only different for her configuration inserted in the outer part of the hull and designed to deflect a blast outwards with a inner part more armored.

With only a AGS as it was planned for the CG (X) cancelled which had the same hull you can put betwen the 2 front VLS minimum 40 cell's maybe up to 80.

How many shell, i know sure 600, 300 by AGS but i see sometimes 920, a additional ammunition magazine with 320 ?

For comparison a Ticonderoga get 1200 shell, 600 x 2 and a Burke 600 for one 127, LRALP is also much more long therefore less.

3th get a deckhouse in steel more solid.

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I can't resist :) for a little comparison with her predecessor the specialist for land attack, BB Iowa class.

4 build during WW II in service from 1943 up to Vietnam War and after reactivated in the 1980's for 10 years in response to Soviet Kirov but in fact different missions for them and more versatile.

Iowa was modernized, armed mainly with 9 big guns of 406 mm ( only Japanases Yamato get more big guns 457 mm ) with a range of 40 km, 1200 shell in 3 turrets, 12 x127 mm, 4 Ciws, 32 Tomahawk 16 CM, 16 ssm and 16 Harpoon.

Was used as the main ship for SAG.

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FORBIN said:
I can't resist :) for a little comparison with her predecessor the specialist for land attack, BB Iowa class.

4 build during WW II in service from 1943 up to Vietnam War and after reactivated in the 1980's for 10 years in response to Soviet Kirov but in fact different missions for them and more versatile.

Iowa was modernized, armed mainly with 9 big guns of 406 mm ( only Japanases Yamato get more big guns 457 mm ) with a range of 40 km, 1200 shell in 3 turrets, 12 x127 mm, 4 Ciws, 32 Tomahawk 16 CM, 16 ssm and 16 Harpoon.

Was used as the main ship for SAG.

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Oh if only the Navy could have modernize her some more by taking away one or two of the turrets and replace it with VLS instead. She would be more than enough as a battle cruiser.:eek:
 
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Jeff Head said:
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IMHO, the 127mm capability is good, but it simply does not have the hitting ppower that the 155mm munitions will have. ...
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yeah VULCANO ammunition uses a sabot (called "Sub calibre airframe" in
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), about one year ago I found somewhere (don't know where though) and posted an expert opinion (not mine LOL) that an impact of "the 127 mm VULCANO" would be very similar to that of an 88 mm mortar shell ... too bad for an unprotected target, but for example a self-propelled howitzer would likely survive it, might even start shooting back :)
 
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DDG-1001 making good progress!

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Great news!

Thanks for that link. This happened I believe actually on Novemebr 14th. It was one month short of being exactly two years ago (Dec 14, 2012) that DDG-1000 received its deck house.

Moving right along now with DDG-1001 Monsoor getting its deck house. She will be launching before we know it.


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Meanwhile, progress on the Zumwalt, DDG-1000, continues.


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Whoohaa! Doesn't get much better...except to see her plowing the waves!

See a LOT more pics on my
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heck,
It has been long noted by critics of the DDG-1000 program that placing all of these ambitious new technologies aboard one tightly integrated platform in one great transformational leap for military mankind has the effect of integrating all of their various technical and programmatic risks as well -- in my view, magnifying the total project risk of the effort well beyond the total risks had the R&D for each system proceeded independently. (Synergistic effects can work against you as well as for you, especially when it comes to managing project risks.)

The 155mm AGS is a gun system which will never see use outside of the DDG-1000 platform; and unless the Zumwalt Class supporters in industry and in the US Northeast are successful in bypassing the Navy and selling more Zumwalts directly to the Congress, there will only be three of these ships, and only six operational AGS gun mounts -- a far cry from the 64 mounts that would have been deployed had 32 Zumwalts been procured instead of three.

As things stand today, the greatest utility the 155mm AGS system has for the US Navy is to provide justification for claiming that the USMC's interim requirements for fire support have been covered.

Once AGS has been declared to have reached IOC, then the Navy leadership will certify that the interim requirements for fire support have been met, and will give no more attention to pursuing further advancements in conventional naval gun technology.

Once that piece of paper has been signed, then it won't matter to the Navy leadership if another 155mm LRLAP round is ever fired again for any purpose whatsoever -- more so if the Zumwalt design as an integrated platform fails to live up to expectations in some major way and the three ships are then quietly set aside to guard their respective piers.
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do you know what percentage of it (and of the article itself) could be true? just asking ... (from the middle of Europe)
 
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